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[margrace]

In the first world war evidently the some of the Ukranian men, recent immigrants who did not speak english, were drafted into the first world war. When they got to Halifax and were being loaded on to the ships the people in charge used whips to get them on the boats, they thought they were being sent back to Russia,

[RB]

New Canadians should adopt and try to fit into the western culture. Firstly, it is to recognize the system works, a reason why the immigrants have chosen to come. Second, it is more civilized, free and advanced than any systems in place. Third, there are plenty of opportunities to build a good life for themselves and families as opportunities and resources are bountiful. Now, all immigrants have to do is to earn the keeps folks.

For the immigrants who are smart and skilled as we are led to believe, instead of depending on governments and others to bail you out and acclimatise you, really dig deep, plan how to get ahead and do it. Why have a PhD guy drive a taxi instead of being a think tank. I don't get it, they are supposed to be smarter than most of the rest of us, yes.

If I were to blame someone for the mixing with the old country and new, it would have to be the academics. They write and publish their thesis, numbers and findings in journals and advised the governments. The academics are adamant that we should always be attached to the old country, be romantic, never forget the past and bring pieces of old here in Canada. The ideal scenario in order to fit. Otherwise what a fit. What a first shock..culture shock, new country, new people, new work, new house, new road, new lights, new news, new talks, new dress, new walks, new page, new leaf, new type of depression, more overwhelmingly awe nonsense, next be a new man, new kid, followed by: no bed of roses, no adjustments, no housing, no jobs, no life, no time, no spine, no love etc.

Then you can blame yourselves for making new folks and even Canadians born in Canada feel uncomfortable by demanding they point to somewhere else of origin and that they always remember, least you forget where they came from the "dregs of society", unknowingly keeping them suppressed as if you have some unearned points and rights over them.

Recall some conversations you might have with others. I mean what justice does it serve to ask someone where are they from?
Answer: I was born in Canada?
OK, Where are your parents from?
Answer: Canada?
well, where are your grandparents from?
Answer: Canada?
Your generation?
Answer: Maybe Africa.
Answer: See what I mean, well you are from Africa.

Why did you come to Canada?

You really don't make the immigrant experience welcoming, they are psyched to believe they are from parts of the world they have never seen in ages.

[Leafless]

fcgv, on Dec 8 2007, 05:00 AM, said:

Its about time we get real and stand up for our forefathers rights we
are
CANADIAN Lest we forget it!!! NO MORE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS !

NO More not saying CHRISTMAS In stores and our schools, Seasonal
Holiday be
dammed!!! I Want my Canada of birth BACK !!!

By allowing MORONS to run the country this is what Canadians get, political correctness.

Your right, our only alternative is to FIGHT BACK.

[Michael Hardner]

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NO More not saying CHRISTMAS In stores and our schools, Seasonal
Holiday be
dammed!!!

In other words feel free to insult Jews whose families have been here since the 19th century.

There's nothing Canadian about wishing somebody 'Merry Christmas' versus 'Happy Holidays'.

The poster feels that because his family has been here since 1900, he has the right to tell everyone what constitutes being Canadian and what doesn't. I would say that being Canadian means rejecting easy and false pleas to our emotional side.

And my family has been here since the 17th century, so I win.

[August1991]

fcgv, on Dec 8 2007, 07:00 AM, said:

Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to
Canada, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in
Halifax
and be documented.

People don't arrive by ship anymore; they arrive by plane. And they can go home by plane too very easily and very cheaply. Canadians-born and bred go abroad now for years at a time and become "immigrants" in the countries that send us immigrants.

People and goods move around the globe now in a way that no one could conceive in 1900.

fcgv, on Dec 8 2007, 07:00 AM, said:

Canadians fought
along
side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy,
France,
Japan, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Sweden, and so many other places. None
of
these first generation Canadians ever gave any thought about what
country
their parents had come from. They were Canadians fighting Hitler,
Mussolini
and the Emperor of Japan.

The Japanese and Germans were not fighting, their possessions were taken and they were incarcerated.

fcgv, on Dec 8 2007, 07:00 AM, said:

I Want my Canada of birth BACK !!!

Your Canada is not coming back for the simple reason that the past is gone and done. We live in a new world and it will only get newer as time goes by. We live in a world where millions of people around the world can read these words that I'm writing.

Get used to it unless you want to live in the past in your own mind.

[fcgv]

Michael Hardner, on Dec 8 2007, 08:40 AM, said:

In other words feel free to insult Jews whose families have been here since the 19th century.

There's nothing Canadian about wishing somebody 'Merry Christmas' versus 'Happy Holidays'.

The poster feels that because his family has been here since 1900, he has the right to tell everyone what constitutes being Canadian and what doesn't. I would say that being Canadian means rejecting easy and false pleas to our emotional side.

And my family has been here since the 17th century, so I win.

This posters family has been in Canada since 1590-so we win. It is not insulting to maintain the cultural traditions given us as Canadians through the Church. It has been CHRISTMAS for us for 2,000 years. If it offends those of other faiths, I suggest they ignore the Christmas season. It offends me hearing Happy Hannukah and Happy Ramandan on commercials, but no mention of Christmas. It offends me having children in public schools learning about every religious tradition save their own. If you prefer to live in a country that celebrates Jewish holiday's by all means go live in Israel.

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[Michael Hardner]

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This posters family has been in Canada since 1590-so we win. It is not insulting to maintain the cultural traditions given us as Canadians through the Church. It has been CHRISTMAS for us for 2,000 years. If it offends those of other faiths, I suggest they ignore the Christmas season. It offends me hearing Happy Hannukah and Happy Ramandan on commercials, but no mention of Christmas. It offends me having children in public schools learning about every religious tradition save their own. If you prefer to live in a country that celebrates Jewish holiday's by all means go live in Israel.

fcgv,

You should turn to the church on these issues, and not your Canada. Canada is a nation of immigrants, and always has been.

I have never heard a commercial that says 'Happy Ramadan', and I doubt that you have either.

These are things that you make up in your own mind. Your problems are not what they think you are.

Your argument and the anti-immigrant arguments that are made on this board boil down to "I don't like immigrants". There's nothing reasonable behind it, just a reluctance to see Canada change. I can understand why you feel that way, but we're not going to be turning back the clock anytime soon, so you should just get used to it.

[Leafless]

August1991, on Dec 8 2007, 08:51 AM, said:

Get used to it unless you want to live in the past in your own mind.

August, with the pink, socialist liberals around what other choice does an intelligent Canadian have with the Conservatives closely following suit, but live politics in your own mind to the likings of a more democratic country than the one we live in and hope Canadians will finally see the light and be a little more independent and fight back, rather than allow themselves to be socially engineered by MORONS.

[August1991]

Leafless, on Dec 8 2007, 12:43 PM, said:

August, with the pink, socialist liberals around what other choice does an intelligent Canadian have with the Conservatives closely following suit, but live politics in your own mind to the likings of a more democratic country than the one we live in and hope Canadians will finally see the light and be a little more independent and fight back, rather than allow themselves to be socially engineered by MORONS.

It's not pink, socialist liberals who are to blame for this state of affairs. Modern technology is the culprit.

Airline travel is cheap now. The Internet allows easy communication. Long distance phone calls cost pennies a minute. People around the world are wealthier and can afford to do more things.

The end result is that Canadians travel abroad and foreigners come here. There are fewer barriers preventing people from having contact with one another.

[Michael Hardner]

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It's not pink, socialist liberals who are to blame for this state of affairs. Modern technology is the culprit.

Excellent point, Auguste. Technology continues to make the globe into a smaller place.

Some other technologies have been overlooked in some of these discussions:

Large container ships.
Birth control.
Television.
Radio.

[guyser]

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It is not insulting to maintain the cultural traditions given us as Canadians through the Church. It has been CHRISTMAS for us for 2,000 years.

I checked the calendar. It still is Christmas , like it was and always has been. It happens on the 25th of December , you get a day off with pay.

It never changed unless I did not get the memo.

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If it offends those of other faiths, I suggest they ignore the Christmas season. It offends me hearing Happy Hannukah and Happy Ramandan on commercials, but no mention of Christmas. It offends me having children in public schools learning about every religious tradition save their own. If you prefer to live in a country that celebrates Jewish holiday's by all means go live in Israel.

No mention of Christmas? Well then you are obviously not paying attention. It is everywhere and obvious. A blind man would know since the music...horrible crappy music, is piped everywhere now.Carols up the ying yang.

The kids are learning world religion in world religion class. Makes the open to the world beyond .This country celebrates Jewish holidays, but we dont give them a day off. Maybe we should even up the score and give them a day off and then they cam work Christmas day. It would wreck the Chinese restaurants and they would have to lay off employees.But it cant be a saturday so once every 7 years we would be in a conundrum.

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...rather than allow themselves to be socially engineered by MORONS.

Only morons would think this way.

[Argus]

Michael Hardner, on Dec 8 2007, 10:40 AM, said:

]In other words feel free to insult Jews whose families have been here since the 19th century.

But you see, your determination to be offended on their behalf far exceeds that of Jews. I've never met a Jew nor even heard of one who was offended by being wished a Merry Christmas. They tend to be a lot more broad-minded than your sort.

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There's nothing Canadian about wishing somebody 'Merry Christmas' versus 'Happy Holidays'.

It's very Canadian to wish someone a Merry Christmas. Only PC freaks care about "offending" people enough to insist on "Happy generic holiday of your ethnic background's choice"

[guyser]

Michael Hardner, on Dec 8 2007, 08:40 AM, said:

There's nothing Canadian about wishing somebody 'Merry Christmas' versus 'Happy Holidays'.

Happy holidays is so much easier. Nothing to do with pc. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year...or...happy holidays. Stick with happy holidays, easy and succinct.

See, covers both + covers any others I might miss.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS everyone.

[kengs333]

guyser, on Dec 8 2007, 06:27 PM, said:

No mention of Christmas? Well then you are obviously not paying attention. It is everywhere and obvious. A blind man would know since the music...horrible crappy music, is piped everywhere now.Carols up the ying yang.

Also obvious in recent years has been the very vocal debate against using the phrase "Merry Christmas" so I suppose it's just a matter of your being brilliant again--at "not paying attention" yourself. This is a debate that would never occur about any other religion in the country, and the movement against Christmas in general is being spearheaded by atheists and anti-Christians. But of course this would never constitute religious intolerance or bigotry...