[wulf42]

What i don t get is...if Islam is a religion of peace then why is it the only
religion that hardly a day goes by that a terrorist plot is linked to it??

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[Michael Hardner]

Violence happens every day, it's true, but why do you tie it to a religion rather than a culture ?

There's violence every day in Africa, and Haiti... lots of different reasons.

Why not take a wider view of things rather than arriving at the problem (violence) with the solution (religion) already in hand ?

[wulf42]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

Violence happens every day, it's true, but why do you tie it to a religion rather than a culture ?

There's violence every day in Africa, and Haiti... lots of different reasons.

Why not take a wider view of things rather than arriving at the problem (violence) with the solution (religion) already in hand ?

While it's true there is violence in those countries ..it stays in those countries between warring
factions so nobody really cares....these Islamo's are trying to export their violent religion here
and set up terrorist activity here in our country......big difference! From what i can see Islam
equates to violence...the "peaceful Muslims" should be doing more to reel in the violent ones
i don t see that happening but more like "well we don t like what they are doing but they have a point"
response.

[DogOnPorch]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

Violence happens every day, it's true, but why do you tie it to a religion rather than a culture ?

There's violence every day in Africa, and Haiti... lots of different reasons.

Why not take a wider view of things rather than arriving at the problem (violence) with the solution (religion) already in hand ?

You do realize that a good deal of Africa's misery is via Islam. The Sudan, etc...

[Michael Hardner]

wulf

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While it's true there is violence in those countries ..it stays in those countries between warring
factions so nobody really cares....these Islamo's are trying to export their violent religion here
and set up terrorist activity here in our country......big difference! From what i can see Islam
equates to violence...the "peaceful Muslims" should be doing more to reel in the violent ones
i don t see that happening but more like "well we don t like what they are doing but they have a point"
response.

The peaceful Muslims started to protest Burquas recently. Are you happy with that ?

Islam doesn't equate to violence - it's a prejudice of yours. My response wasn't that they have a point, it's that you've arrived at the problem with a pre-determined solution. That's a real response, but you didn't respond to it. Instead you chose to respond to something I didn't post.

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

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You do realize that a good deal of Africa's misery is via Islam. The Sudan, etc...

But a significant amount is also tribal. What's the cause then ? It is religion ? I'd say it's culture and the difference is important.

[wulf42]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 03:54 PM, said:

wulf



The peaceful Muslims started to protest Burquas recently. Are you happy with that ?

Islam doesn't equate to violence - it's a prejudice of yours. My response wasn't that they have a point, it's that you've arrived at the problem with a pre-determined solution. That's a real response, but you didn't respond to it. Instead you chose to respond to something I didn't post.

The only reason i am against Islam is because they want to kill us!! Funny how people who practice
a religion that endorse's terrorism worldwide does that to a person, are there peaceful Muslims?
yes i am sure there is but they certainly could do more against extremism....!

[Michael Hardner]

wulf,

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The only reason i am against Islam is because they want to kill us!! Funny how people who practice
a religion that endorse's terrorism worldwide does that to a person, are there peaceful Muslims?
yes i am sure there is but they certainly could do more against extremism....!

Ok, well you're not reading my posts. You're just another one of those people who shows up on the scene with an opinion and won't listen to facts. Instead, you just keep repeating the same slogans over and over.

This sentence doesn't make sense either:

"Funny how people who practice a religion that endorse's terrorism worldwide does that to a person, are there peaceful Muslims?"

[DogOnPorch]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 02:55 PM, said:

DoP



But a significant amount is also tribal. What's the cause then ? It is religion ? I'd say it's culture and the difference is important.

The Sudanese government plays tribes off one another then moves in with their army to impose Islam on what remains. It's been going on for what seems forever...

[Michael Hardner]

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The Sudanese government plays tribes off one another then moves in with their army to impose Islam on what remains. It's been going on for what seems forever...

DoP, I'd agree that it's been going on forever - the manipulation of tribal hatreds for political ends.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 02:55 PM, said:

DoP



But a significant amount is also tribal. What's the cause then ? It is religion ? I'd say it's culture and the difference is important.

Michael, Islam isn't just a religion, though. It is also a political project.

[DogOnPorch]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 04:02 PM, said:

DoP, I'd agree that it's been going on forever - the manipulation of tribal hatreds for political ends.

I appreciate your attempt to put the situation into a small box, but as Jerry mentions, Islam is a heck of a lot more than just showing up to the mosque once a week.

[Argus]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

Violence happens every day, it's true, but why do you tie it to a religion rather than a culture ?

There's violence every day in Africa, and Haiti... lots of different reasons.

Why not take a wider view of things rather than arriving at the problem (violence) with the solution (religion) already in hand ?

Political violence does happen in a lot of countries. However, what we see consistently around the world is terrible political violence on behalf of Islam - either Islam as an religion, or, more often, Islam as a political ideology. Try to think of those fighting and bombing and killing on behalf of the idea of Islamic states as poliitical terrorists instead of religious terrorists. All across the world these people are killing on behalf of communis--- Uh, Islamist states they want to set up.

So perhaps Islam the religion isn't in itself the main cause of violence (unless of course, someone insults it or is percieved to have insulted it) but Islam as an political ideology certainly is causing an awful lot of violence everywhere there are Muslims.

[Michael Hardner]

Jerry,

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Michael, Islam isn't just a religion, though. It is also a political project.

So you're saying it's a global conspiracy ? Be specific please.

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

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I appreciate your attempt to put the situation into a small box, but as Jerry mentions, Islam is a heck of a lot more than just showing up to the mosque once a week.

It's actually a religion, but when it's posted on here, the posts arrive with the judgement of all Muslims in tow.