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I say Red Tory is the best solution. I have proof for this. From 1943-1985, Red Tories ruled Ontario and made it better. I don't think that Blue Tories will work in Canada, I say this because they are alittle too far to the right for most Canadians. Red Tories work and it shows.
Red Tory or Blue Tory? (Party-wise) Which would work better?
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 01:02 AM
And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17.
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 04:00 AM
Depends on the aim of the party.
IF the aim of the party is to make substantial change to policy along conservative lines, then Red Tory.
IF they to be more electable, then Blue Tory.
At least that's the way it seems right now.
This begs the question, can Red Tories get elected in the nation?
IF the aim of the party is to make substantial change to policy along conservative lines, then Red Tory.
IF they to be more electable, then Blue Tory.
At least that's the way it seems right now.
This begs the question, can Red Tories get elected in the nation?
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 04:44 AM
Newfie Canadian, on Jul 2 2005, 03:30 PM, said:
Depends on the aim of the party.
IF the aim of the party is to make substantial change to policy along conservative lines, then Red Tory.
IF they to be more electable, then Blue Tory.
At least that's the way it seems right now.
This begs the question, can Red Tories get elected in the nation?
IF the aim of the party is to make substantial change to policy along conservative lines, then Red Tory.
IF they to be more electable, then Blue Tory.
At least that's the way it seems right now.
This begs the question, can Red Tories get elected in the nation?
Red Tories are more electable than Blue Tories. Blue Tories are the Alliance guys, Red Tories are the old PCs.
And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17.
Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 06:33 AM
Any Conservative want to share their opinion?
And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17.
Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 07:36 AM
Forgive my ignorace, but what are the differences between Red and Blue Tories?
We're not just talking about more left vs. more right Tories, are we?
We're not just talking about more left vs. more right Tories, are we?
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 07:39 AM
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Red Tories are more electable than Blue Tories. Blue Tories are the Alliance guys, Red Tories are the old PCs
Opps. I had it reversed.
Thanks for pointing that out BBM.
It should read:
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Depends on the aim of the party.
IF the aim of the party is to make substantial change to policy along conservative lines, then Blue Tory.
IF they to be more electable, then Red Tory.
At least that's the way it seems right now.
This begs the question, can Blue Tories get elected in the nation?
IF the aim of the party is to make substantial change to policy along conservative lines, then Blue Tory.
IF they to be more electable, then Red Tory.
At least that's the way it seems right now.
This begs the question, can Blue Tories get elected in the nation?
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 08:45 AM
Chungwawema, on Jul 2 2005, 07:06 PM, said:
Forgive my ignorace, but what are the differences between Red and Blue Tories?
We're not just talking about more left vs. more right Tories, are we?
We're not just talking about more left vs. more right Tories, are we?
No problem, Blue Tories are the righter than what the Conservative party is right now. Or think of original Reform Party.
Red Tories are the left of the new Conservative Party. Think of Brian Mulroney as a Red Tory, Belinda Stronach, and John Tory.
And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17.
Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
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Posted 02 July 2005 - 08:50 AM
The question should be, do we want someone more idealogically pure in his/her views, or do we want a moderate/pragmatist who knows how to get elected.
And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17.
Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
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Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:50 AM
Any other conservatives want to give their opinion?
And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17.
Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 11:46 AM
Big Blue Machine, on Jul 2 2005, 07:45 AM, said:
Chungwawema, on Jul 2 2005, 07:06 PM, said:
Forgive my ignorace, but what are the differences between Red and Blue Tories?
We're not just talking about more left vs. more right Tories, are we?
We're not just talking about more left vs. more right Tories, are we?
No problem, Blue Tories are the righter than what the Conservative party is right now. Or think of original Reform Party.
Red Tories are the left of the new Conservative Party. Think of Brian Mulroney as a Red Tory, Belinda Stronach, and John Tory.
RED TORY- Joe Clark, Robert Stanfield
BLUE TORY- Brian Mulroney, Peter MacKay
NEO CON- Stephen Harper, Preston Manning
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:43 PM
I think thom PC is closer to the mark on who's who in the red blue split. Though I'm not sure about Preston Manning. The point that gets me though is that the whole idea as I understand it for removing the word progressive was to ease out the horrible left wing of the right wing party. Is there some suggestion somewhere that maybe this was a mistake and we're going to go back to the good old days of the Progressive Conservative majorities of Brian Mulroney? 
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 12:54 PM
Am I seeing correctly?
People are musing over whether a conservative-conservative party or a liberal conservative party is best?
The way I see it we have:
ConPC=left center
Liberal=left
NDP=extreme left
Green Party=enviromentalist NDP/ComPC hybrid
ComPC=outright communists
There is no true conservative party in this country anymore.
Our right sits to the left of the US right which isn't all that right anymore.
People are musing over whether a conservative-conservative party or a liberal conservative party is best?
The way I see it we have:
ConPC=left center
Liberal=left
NDP=extreme left
Green Party=enviromentalist NDP/ComPC hybrid
ComPC=outright communists
There is no true conservative party in this country anymore.
Our right sits to the left of the US right which isn't all that right anymore.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 02:11 PM
Big Blue Machine, on Jul 3 2005, 05:50 AM, said:
Any other conservatives want to give their opinion?
As a conservative supporter a right winger and a definate blue tory backer. Blue tories make better chnage in our national policies and are far more honest than red tories.
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 02:24 PM
Quotes like this just go to prove the sadness of the left.
Clark and Stanfield are both outdated models.
Mulroney ran a fairly socially progressive Government.
Neo-con is just a hateful term and a continuing attempt by the left to promote "scary, scary, scary" without any support.
Mulroney and MacKay would both be red tories on a fair scale and I would definitely support them. There is no reason to go any further left than those two.
Clark and Stanfield are both outdated models.
Mulroney ran a fairly socially progressive Government.
Neo-con is just a hateful term and a continuing attempt by the left to promote "scary, scary, scary" without any support.
Mulroney and MacKay would both be red tories on a fair scale and I would definitely support them. There is no reason to go any further left than those two.
thom_PC, on Feb 28 2006, 11:46 AM, said:
RED TORY- Joe Clark, Robert Stanfield
BLUE TORY- Brian Mulroney, Peter MacKay
NEO CON- Stephen Harper, Preston Manning
BLUE TORY- Brian Mulroney, Peter MacKay
NEO CON- Stephen Harper, Preston Manning