[mirror]

I would surmise that the largest problem facing our planet is global warming. If we don't get a handle on it soon, and it is already too late for some as the following article reports, humankind may perish. How are we going to solve this crucial problem if we can't even agree that the problem exists? People need to start connecting the dots.

Heat Wave Blamed for 11 Deaths in Phoenix

[Riverwind]

mirror, on Jul 19 2005, 05:22 PM, said:

I would surmise that the largest problem facing our planet is global warming. If we don't get a handle on it soon, and it is already too late for some as the following article reports, humankind may perish. How are we going to solve this crucial problem if we can't even agree that the problem exists? People need to start connecting the dots.

You forgot a choice on your survey: 'Global warming exists but there is little or nothing we can do about it'.

I have read studies that have shown a strong correlation between population and CO2 levels over the last 10,000 years. In the last 200 years, the world population has risen from 1 billion to 6 billion, thanks largely to the increased food production created by fossil fuels. Seems to me that the population is the problem - not the fuel. If you really want to do something about global warming then invent some nasty smallpox like virus that will wipe out 90% of the population. The last time a large drop in CO2 levels occurred was in the 1500s when smallpox wiped out the native americans. Before that, CO2 dropped when the black plague hit Europe.

[Canuck E Stan]

Start by connecting the dots to the history of weather in the world, going back way back and not the last thirty or forty years. Because in your life time it may seem to be weird weather but it doesn't mean the world hasn't gone through this cycle many times before. After all, we are talking about the earth being billions and billions of years old. In that period of time today's weather is just a drop in the bucket of time. I don't think weather records go back but three hundred years. So is the "normal" for the earth, how do we know? There are arguements both ways on that subject.

[Hugo]

Where's the option to combat it by restoring private property rights and undoing the legislation which denied that pollution was a tort?

[Riverwind]

Canuck E Stan, on Jul 19 2005, 05:47 PM, said:

. In that period of time today's weather is just a drop in the bucket of time. I don't think weather records go back but three hundred years. So is the "normal" for the earth, how do we know? There are arguements both ways on that subject.

The historical patterns suggest that the world should be heading into an ice age now. The weather is definitely been warmer than it should be based on historical trends, however, the warming starting 6000 years ago: around the first time humans started to cut down trees to plant food.

[Renegade]

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How can we solve global warming?

Your poll presumes that the respondant wants to solve global warming. Not necessarily a valid assumption.

[mirror]

Even George Bush has now agreed that mankind's behaviour is contributing to global warming, so we can now forget the charade. The biggest threat to solving our global warning crisis is the US and in particular the corporate community.

[SirSpanky]

I would argue the 2 billion people + in China and India who will be using a whole lotta coal in the coming years is the biggest problem.

[cybercoma]

mirror, on Jul 19 2005, 08:52 PM, said:

I would surmise that the largest problem facing our planet is global warming. If we don't get a handle on it soon, and it is already too late for some as the following article reports, humankind may perish. How are we going to solve this crucial problem if we can't even agree that the problem exists? People need to start connecting the dots.

Heat Wave Blamed for 11 Deaths in Phoenix

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Are we talking about the same global warming that was a "crucial problem" which would cause "humankind to perish" and required immediate attention 35 years ago?

I assume the 11 deaths in Phoenix from the heatwave is your evidence, well not too long ago I recall an ice storm in Quebec that killed people. Perhaps the globe is actually freezing and this warm spell is a red herring.

[cybercoma]

mirror, on Jul 19 2005, 11:03 PM, said:

Even George Bush has now agreed that mankind's behaviour is contributing to global warming, so we can now forget the charade. The biggest threat to  solving our global warning crisis is the US and in particular the corporate community.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Over the last 100 years with the population of the planet going from 2 Billion to 6 billion and the advent of industry the temperature of the planet has increased a staggering ALMOST 2F. I'd say it's not a problem.

[mirror]

What I found troubling in that heat wave deaths story is that they don't include any deaths of illegal immigrants. Jeez what a country - illegals don't even exist.

Global Warming Solutions

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These solutions will reduce the amount of heat-trapping gases that we emit into the atmosphere. Among the solutions are ways of reducing the amount of fossil fuels we use to power our vehicles and generate our electricity, and protecting threatened forests, which store carbon in their biomass.

[cybercoma]

Don't you think there should've been a huge spike in global warming since we started burning fossil fuels in vehicles and using the amount of electricity we use nowadays?

If people were supposed to be panicking 35 years ago, shouldn't the environment be dramatically worse and not actually improving as reports show?

[Riverwind]

cybercoma, on Jul 19 2005, 08:29 PM, said:

Don't you think there should've been a huge spike in global warming since we started burning fossil fuels in vehicles and using the amount of electricity we use nowadays?
If people were supposed to be panicking 35 years ago, shouldn't the environment be dramatically worse and not actually improving as reports show?

Hows does a 10-15C change sound? Big enough? Because that is the change going on in the Arctic. Global Warming is real the only question is whether there is anything we can do about it.

[mirror]

Maybe that MP in Ottawa knows something - the one who suggested swimming lessons for all of us:

Global warming is real and under way...

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Global sea level is rising about three times faster over the past 100 years compared with the previous 3,000 years.

[mirror]

I presume all you naysayers about global warming get you info from these clowns:

Responding To Global Warming Skeptics

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Responding to Global Warming Skeptics
-- Prominent Skeptics Organizations
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Global Climate Coalition
[ http://www.globalclimate.org/index.htm ]

Founded in 1989 by 46 corporations and trade associations representing all major elements of US industry, the GCC presents itself as a "voice for business in the global warming debate." The group funded several flawed studies on the economics of the cost of mitigating climate change, which formed the basis of their 1997/1998 multi-million dollar advertising campaign against the Kyoto Protocol. The GCC began to unravel in 1997 when British Petroleum withdrew its membership. Since then many other corporations have followed BP s lead and left the coalition. This exodus reached a fevered pitch in the early months of 2000 when DaimlerChrysler, Texaco and General Motors all announced their exodus from the GCC. Since these desertions, the GCC restructured and remains a powerful and well-funded force focused on obstructing meaningful efforts to mitigate climate change.

Spin: Global Warming is real, but it is too expensive to do anything about. The Kyoto Protocol is fundamentally flawed.

Funding: Corporate members (industries, trade associations etc.)

George Marshall Institute [ http://www.marshall.org ]

This conservative think tank shifted its focus from Star Wars to climate change in the late 1980s. In 1989, the Marshall Institute released a report claiming that "cyclical variations in the intensity of the sun would offset any climate change associated with elevated greenhouse gases." Though refuted by the IPCC, the report was very influential in influencing the Bush Sr. Administration s climate change policy. The Marshall Institute has since published numerous reports downplaying the severity of global climate change.


Spin: Blame the Sun. The Kyoto Protocol is fatally flawed.

Affiliated Individuals: Sallie Baliunas, an astrophysicist from Harvard; and Frederick Seitz.

Etectera.

My goodness look who is behind these naysayer organizations. Once again good ole corporate America.