[Leafless]

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Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has signed into law two bills requiring all public school instruction and activities to positively portray transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality to children as young as kindergarten. He has also signed bills undermining marriage and infringing upon the moral conscience of business owners, churches, and nonprofit organizations.

Countries gone to pots and proves Schwarzenegger is a liar and hypocrite.

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Signing the bills was a switch for Schwarzenegger, who vetoed nearly the same bills last year, in the midst of his reelection campaign.

http://canadafreepre...php/article/221

[Michael Hardner]

You're not likely to convince the unconvinced by using such biased sources:

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Late Friday, Schwarzenegger signed SB 777 (transsexual, bisexual, homosexual indoctrination of schoolchildren by requiring changes to all instruction and activities) and AB 394 (transsexual, bisexual, homosexual indoctrination of students, parents, and teachers via “anti-harassment� training).

I'm pretty sure that's not what those bills are called.

[Rue]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 14 2007, 02:52 PM, said:

You're not likely to convince the unconvinced by using such biased sources:
I'm pretty sure that's not what those bills are called.

Psst-Arnold is gay. I knew it. Remember all those references to girly men? I always thought he was just a bit too butch in those terminator movies. I suspected he and Jesse Ventura for a long time but never had any prove. Now I have it.

[Melanie_]

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SB 777 prohibits any “instruction” or school- sponsored “activity” that “promotes a discriminatory bias” against “gender” (the bill’s definition includes cross-dressing and sex changes) and “sexual orientation” (the bill’s definition includes bisexuality).

From your link.

I see nothing wrong with this - actually, I applaud Arnie for removing any opportunity for schools to display a discriminatory bias against gender or sexual orientation. Why would anyone argue in favour of discrimination?

[capricorn]

Kindergarten is too late to stamp out discrimination. I think we should develop an anti-discrimination vaccine to be administered to all pregnant women. That'll do it.

[Slavik44]

SB 777 (transsexual, bisexual, homosexual indoctrination of schoolchildren by requiring changes to all instruction and activities)

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Existing law prohibits a teacher from giving instruction, and a
school district from sponsoring any activity, that reflects adversely
upon persons because of their race, sex, color, creed, handicap,
national origin, or ancestry.
This bill would revise the list of prohibited bases of
discrimination and the kinds of prohibited instruction and activities
and, instead, would refer to disability, gender, nationality, race
or ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or any other
characteristic contained in the definition of hate crimes that is
contained in the Penal Code. The bill would define disability,
gender, nationality, race or ethnicity, religion, and sexual
orientation for this purpose.
(2) Existing laws relating to education refer to "handicapped
pupils," "handicapped adults," "physically handicapped pupils,"
"physically handicapped adults," "the handicapped," and "handicapped
persons."
This bill would change these terms to "pupils with disabilities,"
"adults with disabilities," "pupils with physical disabilities,"
"adults with physical disabilities," and "persons with disabilities."

(3) This bill would incorporate additional changes in Section
44253.3 of the Education Code, proposed by SB 859, to be operative
only if SB 859 and this bill are both chaptered and become effective
on or before January 1, 2008, and this bill is chaptered last.
(4) This bill would incorporate additional changes in Section
66270 of the Education Code, proposed by AB 14, to be operative only
if AB 14 and this bill are both chaptered and become effective on or
before January 1, 2008, and this bill is chaptered last.

AB 394 (transsexual, bisexual, homosexual indoctrination of students, parents, and teachers via “anti-harassment� training).

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AB 394, Levine. Safe schools: discrimination and harassment.
Existing law prohibits discrimination on the basis of specified
protected characteristics, including, but not limited to, actual and
perceived gender identification and sexual orientation, in any
program or activity conducted by an educational institution, as
specified.
This bill would require the State Department of Education to
monitor adherence to the antidiscrimination and antiharassment
requirements as part of its regular monitoring and review of local
educational agencies and to assess whether local educational agencies
have done certain things, including, among others, adopted a policy
that prohibits discrimination and harassment and adopted a process
for receiving and investigating complaints of discrimination and
harassment. The department would be required to display information
on curricula and other resources that specifically address
bias-related discrimination and harassment on specified Internet Web
sites. The department would also be required to develop, and post on
appropriate department Internet Web sites, a model handout describing
certain rights and obligations relating to antidiscrimination and
antiharassment and the policies addressing bias-related
discrimination and harassment in schools.

We are all moderately intelligent on this forum, in the future why not point the members of this forum to the primary documents and then we can have a discussion based on the actual text, rather then a sensationalized account from a news agency that makes Fox look fair and balanced.

[Leafless]

Slavik44, on Oct 14 2007, 10:57 PM, said:

SB 777 (transsexual, bisexual, homosexual indoctrination of schoolchildren by requiring changes to all instruction and activities)
AB 394 (transsexual, bisexual, homosexual indoctrination of students, parents, and teachers via “anti-harassment� training).


We are all moderately intelligent on this forum, in the future why not point the members of this forum to the primary documents and then we can have a discussion based on the actual text, rather then a sensationalized account from a news agency that makes Fox look fair and balanced.

We cannot allow majority interest to be beaten down by unacceptable sexual interest potentially harmful to mainstream society, that's why.

Let adults allow for themselves or establish whatever their sexual interest are, but leave the children of mainstream society alone and allow them to mature according to majority interest of society.

[M.Dancer]

Leafless, on Oct 15 2007, 10:32 AM, said:

We cannot allow majority interest to be beaten down by unacceptable sexual interest potentially harmful to mainstream society, that's why.

Let adults allow for themselves or establish whatever their sexual interest are, but leave the children of mainstream society alone and allow them to mature according to majority interest of society.

Hold on, you are saying the reason why can't debate from actual texts of a law is because of unacceptable sexual intersts.......

Speak for yourself mate....

[fellowtraveller]

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Let adults allow for themselves or establish whatever their sexual interest are, but leave the children of mainstream society alone and allow them to mature according to majority interest of society.

Screw that. You were doing not bad up until the bit about "allow them to mature according to majority interest of society."
In my version of Canada, every person can 'mature' into whatever sexuality or lifestyle they choose for themselves. The majority interest of society has zip to do with it.

[Slavik44]

Leafless, on Oct 15 2007, 06:32 AM, said:

We cannot allow majority interest to be beaten down by unacceptable sexual interest potentially harmful to mainstream society, that's why.


Let adults allow for themselves or establish whatever their sexual interest are, but leave the children of mainstream society alone and allow them to mature according to majority interest of society.

Few points

1. You are going off on a tangent, I only asked why you could not post up the text of the documents involved, rather then relying solely on an inflammatory link that amounts to little more then propaganda.

2. What you have said is very vague, while I applaud how nice it sounds...it means absolutely nothing. I have no issue discussing this topic. But, I am going to need you to come back and clarify a few things.

-What is the majority interest you talk about?

- How have you determined that this is the interest of the majority?

- What is unacceptable Sexual Interest?

- Using specific quotes from the actual legal text, can you show me what constitutes unacceptable and why?

- What do you mean by "potentially"? Like, if I bought a 649 lotto ticket, I could potentially win the lottery?

This post has been edited by Slavik44: 15 October 2007 - 05:08 PM

[Leafless]

M.Dancer, on Oct 15 2007, 07:43 AM, said:

Hold on, you are saying the reason why can't debate from actual texts of a law is because of unacceptable sexual intersts.......

Speak for yourself mate....

The law is also an ass, sexually speaking.

[Leafless]

fellowtraveller, on Oct 15 2007, 02:06 PM, said:

Screw that. You were doing not bad up until the bit about "allow them to mature according to majority interest of society."
In my version of Canada, every person can 'mature' into whatever sexuality or lifestyle they choose for themselves. The majority interest of society has zip to do with it.

I would agree with you if to-day was pushed back to the 1950's.

Society is crumbling quickly due to lack of majority interest.

[Leafless]

bk59, on Oct 15 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

Few points

1. You are going off on a tangent, I only asked why you could not post up the text of the documents involved, rather then relying solely on an inflammatory link that amounts to little more then propaganda.

2. What you have said is very vague, while I applaud how nice it sounds...it means absolutely nothing. I have no issue discussing this topic. But, I am going to need you to come back and clarify a few things.

-What is the majority interest you talk about?

The majority citizens of the country who want the country to be a nice place to live in and who are responsible for making the country what they would like it to be, relating to traditional social standards and keep it that way.

bk59, on Oct 15 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

- How have you determined that this is the interest of the majority?

The country is still traditionally entact, (proof), although crumbling quickly due to lack of protest by the majority interest to protect what was a stable traditional society.

bk59, on Oct 15 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

- What is unacceptable Sexual Interest?

Teaching unacceptable adult life styles, sexual depravities, to mere children who are the off spring in a large percentage of cases of majority interest parents.

bk59, on Oct 15 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

Using specific quotes from the actual legal text, can you show me what constitutes unacceptable and why?

The whole legal text is nonsense and overemphasizes a tiny deranged minority lost in a sea of unnatural sexual practices.

bk59, on Oct 15 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

-What do you mean by "potentially"? Like, if I bought a 649 lotto ticket, I could potentially win the lottery?

Yes.

But I do think most people would consider it harmful if the are of the traditional majority interest type.


I will ask you a question.

How many rights to you think weird minorities are reasonably entitled to?

[M.Dancer]

Leafless, on Oct 16 2007, 08:30 PM, said:

How many rights to you think weird minorities are reasonably entitled to?

The same rights every weirdo already has.

[bk59]

Leafless, on Oct 16 2007, 08:30 PM, said:

Teaching unacceptable adult life styles, sexual depravities, to mere children who are the off spring in a large percentage of cases of majority interest parents.
The whole legal text is nonsense and overemphasizes a tiny deranged minority lost in a sea of unnatural sexual practices.

From the posts on here that actually quoted the laws, it would appear that the laws do not teach anything. They prohibit discriminating against people and allow the school boards to monitor for discrimination. Even if you think certain lifestyles are full of "sexual depravities", these laws would not be teaching anything about those lifestyles. Just preventing people from discriminating against them.