[Pliny]

Last night on the David Letterman show Dave asked Obama if what Jimmy Carter said about race being a factor in the his Presidency.

Obama said, "I don't know if you noticed or not but I was Black before I was elected President."

A very cool statement that deserves some recognition in not playing and forwarding the race card as was done by that racist Jimmy Carter - who serves as an example of what is the remnants of racism left in America today. Carter's comment about "some people who do not think a black man is capable of running this great country" is not one of perception but more a revealing descriptive statement of himself.

Maybe I should have posted this on the current "Dem's shoot themselves in the foot" thread but it is a rare moment when you will see me delivering accolades to Barack Obama. His agenda and policies still suck.

[daniel]

Whether it's true or not, it is too explosive an issue introduce it into any conversation. Obama is intelligent enough to recognize that wedge issues and antagonism aren't going to help you win any support for your cause as they only serve to distract from the real discussion.

During the interview, Obama had correctly identified that JFK, FDR (and Reagan) had to endure similar types of reactions and responses to their own intiatives.

This post has been edited by daniel: 22 September 2009 - 09:48 AM

[naomiglover]

To me it's obvious that Obama's race and his father's religious background have played a role in the recent embarrassing behaviour by some of those who claim to be Conservative Americans . One look at the people at the rallies and what they say shows how this extremely loud minority group has a hard time disproving that this is not about race.

Obama, from the very beginning, has worked to fight against the divide and partisanship that Americans have found themselves in since Karl Rove came into the scene. Now you have the Simpleton's idol, Glenn Beck and Limbaugh, cheering on and encouraging the divide and feeding the bigotry of this minority group.

[Oleg Bach]

To appear on Mr. glibness Letterman's show cheapens the office of the Presidency.

[sharkman]

naomiglover, on Sep 22 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

To me it's obvious that Obama's race and his father's religious background have played a role in the recent embarrassing behaviour by some of those who claim to be Conservative Americans . One look at the people at the rallies and what they say shows how this extremely loud minority group has a hard time disproving that this is not about race.

Obama, from the very beginning, has worked to fight against the divide and partisanship that Americans have found themselves in since Karl Rove came into the scene. Now you have the Simpleton's idol, Glenn Beck and Limbaugh, cheering on and encouraging the divide and feeding the bigotry of this minority group.

Using talking points from NBC are we? Painting the rallies as filled with racists and bigots is to take the pablum of the Obama cheerleading media and not analyze the facts for yourself.

Also short sighted is the knee jerk reaction that Beck and Limbaugh etc are responsible for the grassroots opposition to Obama's unsustainable spending ways. You've got 95% of the print media and all of the TV media save Fox riding shotgun for Obama, yet Beck and Limbaugh are able to singlehandedly sway America? Come on.

The bottom line is that Obama has failed on medicare by trying too many programs at once when his economy is in the toilet. I don't care which show he goes on, he's still blown away approval numbers in the mid 80s and is now below 50 by some polling data. That's way worse a drop than Bush ever did.

[M.Dancer]

sharkman, on Sep 22 2009, 07:56 PM, said:

The bottom line is that Obama has failed on medicare by trying too many programs at once when his economy is in the toilet. I don't care which show he goes on, he's still blown away approval numbers in the mid 80s and is now below 50 by some polling data. That's way worse a drop than Bush ever did.

You're probably right. A creeping approach might have been more pragmatic. Something like a plan covering pregnant mothers, children under 12 and seniors. Something that would be harder to oppose.

[Oleg Bach]

M.Dancer, on Sep 22 2009, 07:04 PM, said:

You're probably right. A creeping approach might have been more pragmatic. Something like a plan covering pregnant mothers, children under 12 and seniors. Something that would be harder to oppose.

They could come up to Liberal Toronto and get lessons on who to deliver the line "The children - the poor poor puppy eyed children" _That should work.

[BubberMiley]

sharkman, on Sep 22 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

he's still blown away approval numbers in the mid 80s and is now below 50 by some polling data. That's way worse a drop than Bush ever did.

That would be compelling if it were true. But since they're no sources for those numbers, they're probably those made-up ones again.

[waldo]

sharkman, on Sep 22 2009, 04:56 PM, said:

Also short sighted is the knee jerk reaction that Beck and Limbaugh etc are responsible for the grassroots opposition to Obama's unsustainable spending ways. You've got 95% of the print media and all of the TV media save Fox riding shotgun for Obama, yet Beck and Limbaugh are able to singlehandedly sway America? Come on.

yes, Fox News is definitely swaying that astroturf opposition, whether it's Fox's talking heads or it's actual producers helping to actually stage/make the news rather than report it..... like the Fox News producer caught off-camera a few days back (by a competitors camera crew) wildly urging the tea-baggin' crowd to shout and cheer louder! Yup - Fox News - "fair and balanced"!

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[Pliny]

Oleg Bach, on Sep 22 2009, 05:06 PM, said:

They could come up to Liberal Toronto and get lessons on who to deliver the line "The children - the poor poor puppy eyed children" _That should work.

You have a degree in secular progressivism, I see.

[Pliny]

M.Dancer, on Sep 22 2009, 05:04 PM, said:

You're probably right. A creeping approach might have been more pragmatic. Something like a plan covering pregnant mothers, children under 12 and seniors. Something that would be harder to oppose.

This is the approach. All they want is a foot in the door. The rest is a natural evolution as more and more special interests climb the band wagon and clamor for "free" stuff that won't add a dime to the deficit or increase the taxes of anyone making less than $250K/yr. Can anyone tell me how that is plausible? Mr. Obama himself hasn't been able to clearly lay out any specifics on this himself.

This post has been edited by Pliny: 23 September 2009 - 07:48 AM

[Pliny]

Oleg Bach, on Sep 22 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

To appear on Mr. glibness Letterman's show cheapens the office of the Presidency.

But it justifies the expenditures of his advertisers. Politically, I agree, he is glib. He has some good writers. He is a bit of an elitist. Sometimes he is witty. Overall rating = 5.

Leno, a little classier, = 7

This post has been edited by Pliny: 23 September 2009 - 07:55 AM

[Pliny]

naomiglover, on Sep 22 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

To me it's obvious that Obama's race and his father's religious background have played a role in the recent embarrassing behaviour by some of those who claim to be Conservative Americans .

President Obama isn't playing the race card. Why are you?

[Shady]

BubberMiley, on Sep 22 2009, 08:09 PM, said:

But since they're no sources for those numbers, they're probably those made-up ones again.

Yeah. Kinda like your Lehman Bros post.

[scorpio]

Pliny, on Sep 22 2009, 07:43 AM, said:

Carter's comment about "some people who do not think a black man is capable of running this great country" is not one of perception but more a revealing descriptive statement of himself.

Carter is from the south and knows the underbelly of racism. And he is absolutely correct. All one has to do is look at some of the placards at the health rallies to back up his claim, not to mention the "birther" movement. Obama is a class act and is staying out of the obvious race card bullshit.