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Michael Hardner, on Oct 25 2009, 12:01 PM, said:
You really are unable to look at the big picture, and consider all sides of the argument. You don't seem to be good at doing that.
I suggest that you take one case and focus on that - why not start a new thread on C51 ?
I suggest that you take one case and focus on that - why not start a new thread on C51 ?
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“Bill C-51 radically alters the Food and Drugs Act in ways that would allow government to control and restrict natural products, including herbs, vitamins and even foods like blueberries,” said Green Party leader Elizabeth May. “Many Canadians are shunning pharmaceuticals in favour of effective natural health foods and products, but Mr. Harper seems bent on helping the pharmaceutical industry stifle competition from natural products.”
The following is from CBC:
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• Up to 70 per cent of natural health products would fail more stringent testing requirements.
• The legislation would give Health Canada inspectors "police state" powers to search private property for illegal natural health products.
• The legislation would give Health Canada inspectors "police state" powers to search private property for illegal natural health products.
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Bill C-51 would also give Health Canada unprecedented power to take natural health products away from consumers.
Traditionally, in Canada we have had the rule of law. This meant that it was not okay for the government to take our property without a warrant or without court supervision to prevent arbitrariness and abuse.
It is troubling that to “protect” us the state can seize our property without prior court approval, without clearly defined reasons for the seizure, without time limit, and without court supervision. It is troubling that the state can commit trespass on our property without any recourse. It is troubling that we can be personally fined and jailed for corporate misdeeds. I am still in disbelief. Surely, we can draft consumer protection legislation that does not read like a police state handbook.
The Federal government is proposing to take away our right to choose and make our health decisions for us. We would then be forced to use other treatments such as chemical pharmaceutical drugs, which can be dangerous and ineffective. For those of us who only get relief from natural health products, the new law would force us to suffer and, in extreme circumstances, die.
Traditionally, in Canada we have had the rule of law. This meant that it was not okay for the government to take our property without a warrant or without court supervision to prevent arbitrariness and abuse.
It is troubling that to “protect” us the state can seize our property without prior court approval, without clearly defined reasons for the seizure, without time limit, and without court supervision. It is troubling that the state can commit trespass on our property without any recourse. It is troubling that we can be personally fined and jailed for corporate misdeeds. I am still in disbelief. Surely, we can draft consumer protection legislation that does not read like a police state handbook.
The Federal government is proposing to take away our right to choose and make our health decisions for us. We would then be forced to use other treatments such as chemical pharmaceutical drugs, which can be dangerous and ineffective. For those of us who only get relief from natural health products, the new law would force us to suffer and, in extreme circumstances, die.
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Canada’s Police State Bill C-51 Camouflaged as a health bill
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The government is using the slogan that we need this new bill to protect our health. That’s a complete fraud and deception.
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Under Bill C-51 the State could:
• Enter private property without a warrant
• Take your property at their discretion
• Dispose of your property at will
• Not reimburse you for your losses
• Seize your bank accounts without a warrant
• Charge owners shipping and storage charges for seized property
• Store your property indefinitely
• Levy fines of up to $5,000,000.00 and/or seek 2 years in jail per charge
• Will not have to report seizures to a court.
• They can charge you just for talking about or promoting natural alternatives
This bill is a crime against our democracy and those involved in introducing it and passing it should be charged with treason against the kind and totally naive trusting Canadian people.
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This bill is part of a much bigger New World Order depopulation, and longevity reducing UN agenda. Conducted under the Codex Alimentarium agenda that was started in 1962.
The communist European Union Government has already implemented the almost identical laws. EU civilians are now, unable to get natural health products that have been around for thousands of years.
Canada, The USA and Mexico have signed many secret agreements that are piece by piece, producing the North American Union.
This legislation was introduced in Canada because it is a place of least resistance. Because under one of the Security and Prosperity Partnership Agreements. It will automatically become law in the USA and Mexico. Since Canada has a very small and spread out population which pays little if no attention at all to what our elected officials do or say, and is being rushed through Parliament. I am sorry to say that soon Canada will no longer be a democracy. It will be a DESPOTIC DICTATORSHIP.
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The government is using the slogan that we need this new bill to protect our health. That’s a complete fraud and deception.
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Under Bill C-51 the State could:
• Enter private property without a warrant
• Take your property at their discretion
• Dispose of your property at will
• Not reimburse you for your losses
• Seize your bank accounts without a warrant
• Charge owners shipping and storage charges for seized property
• Store your property indefinitely
• Levy fines of up to $5,000,000.00 and/or seek 2 years in jail per charge
• Will not have to report seizures to a court.
• They can charge you just for talking about or promoting natural alternatives
This bill is a crime against our democracy and those involved in introducing it and passing it should be charged with treason against the kind and totally naive trusting Canadian people.
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This bill is part of a much bigger New World Order depopulation, and longevity reducing UN agenda. Conducted under the Codex Alimentarium agenda that was started in 1962.
The communist European Union Government has already implemented the almost identical laws. EU civilians are now, unable to get natural health products that have been around for thousands of years.
Canada, The USA and Mexico have signed many secret agreements that are piece by piece, producing the North American Union.
This legislation was introduced in Canada because it is a place of least resistance. Because under one of the Security and Prosperity Partnership Agreements. It will automatically become law in the USA and Mexico. Since Canada has a very small and spread out population which pays little if no attention at all to what our elected officials do or say, and is being rushed through Parliament. I am sorry to say that soon Canada will no longer be a democracy. It will be a DESPOTIC DICTATORSHIP.
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The following content is from Bill C-51
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23. (4) An inspector who is carrying out their functions may enter on or pass through or over private property without being liable for doing so and without the owner of the property having the right to object to that use of the property.
23. (2) The inspector may
(a) examine or test anything — and take samples free of charge of an article to which this Act or the regulations apply — that is found in the place;
23. (2) The inspector may
(a) examine or test anything — and take samples free of charge of an article to which this Act or the regulations apply — that is found in the place;
The interest groups never stop their effort to push the legislation to robber money from people after C-51, here comes C-52, C6
http://www.anhcampai...watch-back-door
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Bill C-6 & The Dark Tower of Power
The brook Claxton building is threatening to replace Parliament as the symbol of dominant power in Canada. Health Canada, referred to by many professionals as the most corrupt agency in Canada, now wants total unchecked power to further their abuse and corruption.
The brook Claxton building is threatening to replace Parliament as the symbol of dominant power in Canada. Health Canada, referred to by many professionals as the most corrupt agency in Canada, now wants total unchecked power to further their abuse and corruption.
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"Bill C-6 gives powers to inspectors to stop the importation or sale of a product and to seize property and documents, based entirely on the inspector’s “belief” that a product may be harmful. There is no requirement for the inspector to produce any documented proof nor scientific evidence of harm. There is a requirement to get a warrant if the goods and evidence to be seized are in a personal dwelling; however, such warrant could be issued over the telephone by a judge who would base his decision entirely on the unsubstantiated “belief” of the inspector.."
How similar this with CAS case, if a CAS social worker’s “belief” you are not qualified as a parent, they can take children away. So that they can do whatever they want to do. This is so called “human right” in Canada.
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But why would the government and the pharmaceutical industry conspire to be so evil? It's all too clear to Schapira:
"It's a desperate effort to destroy this industry that's threatening the profits and viability of conventional medicine. Natural medicine works so well — and is becoming so widely used — that both the Canadian and American governments have decided to 'nuke' the industries by passing new laws that effectively criminalize anyone selling such products. They simply cannot tolerate allowing consumers to have continued access to natural products. To do so will ultimately spell the destruction of Big Pharma and the outdated, corrupt and criminally-operated pharmaceutical industry that these criminally-operated governments are trying to protect."
"It's a desperate effort to destroy this industry that's threatening the profits and viability of conventional medicine. Natural medicine works so well — and is becoming so widely used — that both the Canadian and American governments have decided to 'nuke' the industries by passing new laws that effectively criminalize anyone selling such products. They simply cannot tolerate allowing consumers to have continued access to natural products. To do so will ultimately spell the destruction of Big Pharma and the outdated, corrupt and criminally-operated pharmaceutical industry that these criminally-operated governments are trying to protect."
Some other links:
http://www.infiniteu...-food-products/
http://www.geraldked...ealth_products/
http://www.communica...th_products.htm
http://www.facebook....gid=11529874237
This post has been edited by bjre: 25 October 2009 - 01:18 PM
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