[Michael Hardner]

Argus,

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Political violence does happen in a lot of countries. However, what we see consistently around the world is terrible political violence on behalf of Islam - either Islam as an religion, or, more often, Islam as a political ideology. Try to think of those fighting and bombing and killing on behalf of the idea of Islamic states as poliitical terrorists instead of religious terrorists. All across the world these people are killing on behalf of communis--- Uh, Islamist states they want to set up.

So perhaps Islam the religion isn't in itself the main cause of violence (unless of course, someone insults it or is percieved to have insulted it) but Islam as an political ideology certainly is causing an awful lot of violence everywhere there are Muslims.

What you see or what you look for ? Is Islam more violent than Hutu tribalism ? How do you know ?

"Islam as political ideology is causing..." - causing ? Unprovable.

[DogOnPorch]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 09:26 PM, said:

DoP


It's actually a religion, but when it's posted on here, the posts arrive with the judgement of all Muslims in tow.

Ummm...Sharia? The Hudud? Islamic banking? It's a complete social system and an alternative to capitalism according to the 'extremists'.

[wulf42]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 29 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

DoP


It's actually a religion, but when it's posted on here, the posts arrive with the judgement of all Muslims in tow.

My point is that other Muslims should be doing more against the extremist's but that is not happening
even after 9/11 they were amazingly silent...if they are a religion of peace than why is there violence
everywhere you look associated with it?

[Michael Hardner]

DoP

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Ummm...Sharia? The Hudud? Islamic banking? It's a complete social system and an alternative to capitalism according to the 'extremists'.

Are we talking about the extremists though ? Oh, that's right we're blurring the lines and tarring all with the same brush again.

Quoting the OP:

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What i don t get is...if Islam is a religion of peace then why is it the only
religion that hardly a day goes by that a terrorist plot is linked to it??

[Michael Hardner]

Wulf,

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My point is that other Muslims should be doing more against the extremist's but that is not happening
even after 9/11 they were amazingly silent...if they are a religion of peace than why is there violence
everywhere you look associated with it?

I already pointed out an example on this thread where moderates are speaking out and you ignored that. It makes me suspect that you're paying lip service to engaging and discussing these issues.

You've ignored my posts where I addressed the question of violence associated (by some) to that religion.

So let's see here:

• You're saying that Muslims should be speaking out more without acknowledging that they are.
  
• You're saying that the religion causes people to be violent, and ignoring posts that address the problems with that argument.
  
• You've therefore proven that you're not interested in discussing, i.e. listening to facts but want to bray out your opinions in a cathartic act of release.

So - my advice is go to a poetry reading and let it all out. Don't come to a discussion board where some back-and-forth is required.

You're expecting moderate Muslims to listen to others but you're refusing to do it yourself. Welcome to the hypocrite list.

[Oleg Bach]

"They hate us for our freedom" Hah - I certainly don't feel free these days. They hate us because we are a corrupt and mindlessly wicked society that is pious and phoney as old hell itself - Here is the odd part about Musilim haters - They hate the devil so much they become what they hate in time - evil...To hate evil to such a degree that it occupies your every thought can only make you absorb and become what you hate - Look at Israel - They hate so intensely and for so long that they have become what they hate - Nazis! Islam referes to us as the GREAT SATAN...and as cosmic logic dictates - they have become what they hate - satanic - time to tell them to fu** off.

[wulf42]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 30 2009, 07:35 AM, said:

Wulf,



I already pointed out an example on this thread where moderates are speaking out and you ignored that. It makes me suspect that you're paying lip service to engaging and discussing these issues.

You've ignored my posts where I addressed the question of violence associated (by some) to that religion.

So let's see here:

• You're saying that Muslims should be speaking out more without acknowledging that they are.
  
• You're saying that the religion causes people to be violent, and ignoring posts that address the problems with that argument.
  
• You've therefore proven that you're not interested in discussing, i.e. listening to facts but want to bray out your opinions in a cathartic act of release.

So - my advice is go to a poetry reading and let it all out. Don't come to a discussion board where some back-and-forth is required.

You're expecting moderate Muslims to listen to others but you're refusing to do it yourself. Welcome to the hypocrite list.

Show me proof, I welcome them speaking out but i haven t seen it..
I have no problem with Muslims who live peaceful lives and come to Canada to raise their families
in peace that is what made this country...i have a problem with Islamic extremists who plot
terror attacks on us and our families!

btw-i will speak on the discussion board however i damn well like!

This post has been edited by wulf42: 30 October 2009 - 12:45 PM

[wulf42]

Oleg Bach, on Oct 30 2009, 07:36 AM, said:

"They hate us for our freedom" Hah - I certainly don't feel free these days. They hate us because we are a corrupt and mindlessly wicked society that is pious and phoney as old hell itself - Here is the odd part about Musilim haters - They hate the devil so much they become what they hate in time - evil...To hate evil to such a degree that it occupies your every thought can only make you absorb and become what you hate - Look at Israel - They hate so intensely and for so long that they have become what they hate - Nazis! Islam referes to us as the GREAT SATAN...and as cosmic logic dictates - they have become what they hate - satanic - time to tell them to fu** off.

Strange you symphize with the Muslim Extremist's yet you live in North America enjoying the freedoms
these people wish to destroy....?
Nobody cares what religion you practice but when that religion becomes violent and people who
practice it try to force it on others by violence...then there is a problem. It seems like there is
more extremism in Islam than any other why that is who knows...but Islamic terrorists are a growing
threat to our national security!

This post has been edited by wulf42: 30 October 2009 - 12:34 PM

[Argus]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 30 2009, 09:30 AM, said:

DoP
Are we talking about the extremists though ? Oh, that's right we're blurring the lines and tarring all with the same brush again.

Islam has a political ideology component supported by the majority of Muslims. A small but dedicated percentage of these people are willing to commit any amount of violence in order to advance that political ideology. And a larger group are willing to, if not embrace that violence, at least accept it being done by others and sympathise with their aims.

Remember that something like 10% of those polled felt the Toronto 18 were justified in their intentions to murder Canadians and blow up public buildings.

[Michael Hardner]

Argus,

That was a recent post and I remember the number as 5% with no corresponding control group sampled from non-Muslims.

This post has been edited by Michael Hardner: 30 October 2009 - 12:57 PM

[Michael Hardner]

Wulf,

Quote

Show me proof, I welcome them speaking out but i haven t seen it..
I have no problem with Muslims who live peaceful lives and come to Canada to raise their families
in peace that is what made this country...i have a problem with Islamic extremists who plot
terror attacks on us and our families!

btw-i will speak on the discussion board however i damn well like!

"Canadian Muslim group calls for burka ban"

http://www.google.co...sxIVBAk8N_a95qw

I know you will speak however you damn well like. The fact that you're not concerned about providing evidence for your emotionalized opinions, and yet expect others to mind their words is evidence that you are a hypocrite as I have pointed out.

[Argus]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 30 2009, 03:46 PM, said:

Argus,

That was a recent post and I remember the number as 5% with no corresponding control group sampled from non-Muslims.

Thirteen percent (of the 75 percent subsample who had heard of the arrests) said the attacks would have been either completely (5%) or somewhat (8%) justified. The combined total of those in the subsample saying the attacks would have been at least somewhat justified (13%) amounted to a little under 10 percent of the overall sample.

You are both right and wrong. But this simply goes to show, that there are a very few willing to carry out violence, but a substantially larger group cheering them on. A considerably larger group, while not supporting the violence, does have the same desire for an Islamic state.

[wulf42]

Michael Hardner, on Oct 30 2009, 12:48 PM, said:

Wulf,



"Canadian Muslim group calls for burka ban"

http://www.google.co...sxIVBAk8N_a95qw

I know you will speak however you damn well like. The fact that you're not concerned about providing evidence for your emotionalized opinions, and yet expect others to mind their words is evidence that you are a hypocrite as I have pointed out.

How Is this for evidence? ...i found this list ! quite extensive don t you think?

Chronological List of Islamic Terrorist Attacks, 1968 - 2004

1968


June 5 - U.S. presidential candidate Robert Kennedy murdered by Palestinian Sirhan Sirhan, in Los Angeles, which causes further terrorist attacks, as Arab terrorist groups demanded his release.


1969


Feb. 18 - Boeing 707 attacked at Zurich, Switzerland, killing the pilot and 3 passengers.


Aug. 29 - TWA 707 hijacked from Rome to Damascus, released with only wounded.


Nov. 27- EL AL office in Athens, Greece attacked. Innocent bystanders killed.


1970


Feb. 21 - Swiss airliner blown up over Switzerland, killing all 47 people on board.


Feb. 23 - PLO terrorists open fire on a busload of Christian pilgrims killing 1 and wounding 2 Americans.


April 21- Bomb explodes aboard a Philippines airliner. All 36 aboard are killed.


Sept. 6 - “Skyjack Sunday” in Jordan. 3 planes (TWA, Swissair, Pan Am) en route to the U.S. hijacked, 400+ hostages, planes blown up in Jordan, Governments agreed to PFLP’s demands, released terrorists from jails and hostages released.


Sept. 14 - The PFLP hijacked TWA flight to Ammon, 4 Americans injured.


1971
Nov. 28 - Jordanian prime minister Tal killed by terrorists at the Sheraton Hotel in Cairo, Egypt.


Dec. - Jordanian ambassador to London, England is shot by hit squad.


1972


Jan. 26 - Bomb explodes on a Yugoslav plane killing all but one passenger.


May 30 - Ben Gurion Airport, Israel attack killed 26, and wounded 78 U.S. citizens from Puerto Rico.


Sept. 5 - Palestinian terrorists seize 11 athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, Germany, 9 hostages and 5 terrorists killed, plus David Berger from Cleveland.


1973


March 2 - Khartoum, Sudan. Cleo Noel, Jr., U.S. ambassador, and George C. Moore, U.S. diplomat, were held hostage and then killed by terrorists at the U.S. Embassy.


Aug. 5 - Suicide squad attacks Athens airport, Greece, killing 3 civilians and injuring 55.


Dec. 17 - Bomb explodes at Pan Am office at Rome, Italy killing 32 and injuring 50+. The terrorists take 7 Italian policemen hostage and hijack an aircraft to Athens, Greece, killing one of them.


1974


March 1 - Diplomats taken hostage from Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan, 2 that are killed are Americans.


April 11 - Kiryat Shmona Massacre at an apartment building killing 18 people, 9 were children.


Sept. 8 - Athens, Greece. TWA Flight 841 exploded from bomb in cargo hold, all 88 passengers killed, including 32-year-old Steven Lowe, an American citizen.


Nov. 23 - British DC-10 hijacked at Dubai, UAE, flown to Tunisia where a German passenger was killed.


1975


Jan. 19 - Arab terrorists attack Orly airport, Paris, France, seizing 10 hostages from a bathroom. French provided the terrorists with a plane to fly them to safety in Baghdad, Iraq.


Sept. 30 - Hungarian airplane explodes killing all 64 persons on board.


Dec. 21 - Carlos “The Jackal” holds 11 oil ministers and 59 civilians hostage during the OPEC meeting in Vienna, Austria. Flew to Algeria, got $300,000,000 in ransom money, Carlos and his Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists escape.


1976


Jan. 1 - 82 innocent travelers are killed aboard a Lebanese plane.


June 27 - Air France airliner hijacked, forced to fly to Uganda. Some 258 passengers and crew are held hostage. 3 passengers killed. July 4th, Israeli commandos rescue the remaining hostages.


Aug. 11 - Terrorists attack Istanbul airport, Turkey, killing 4 civilians (1 from U.S.) and injuring 20.


Dec. 4 - Terrorists occupied the Indonesian Embassy in The Hague, Netherlands, 1 official killed.


Dec. 14 - Passenger train hijacked and passengers were kept hostage, 3 were killed.


1977


Jan. 1 - F.E. Melov U.S. ambassador to Lebanon, and Robert O.Waring, the U.S. economic counselor, kidnapped and later killed in Beirut.


Oct. 13 - Palestinian terrorists hijack a Lufthansa Flight 181 Boeing 737 and order it to fly around a number of Middle East destinations for four days, pilot is killed by the terrorists, 90 hostages rescued.


1978


March 11 - Gail Rubin, niece of U.S. Senator Ribicoff, among 38 people shot to death by terrorists on a beach near Tel Aviv.


June 2 - A bomb kills 2 people at the CHOGM meeting in Sydney Australia.


1979


July 29 - Terrorist bombs two railway stations in Madrid, kills 7.


Nov. 4 - Terrorists seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. 13 freed, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981 - 444 days - at the inauguration of President Ronald Reagan.


1980


April 30 - Terrorists took over the Iranian Embassy in London, holding 26 hostages, 2 of whom died on May 5th after being tortured. Much of the embassy was destroyed by fire.


1981
April 19 - 13 people killed, 177 injured in a terrorist attack in Davao Philippines.


May 13 - Pope John Paul II seriously wounded in assassination attempt in Rome, Italy, by terrorist Mehmet Ali Agca.


Oct. 6 - Egyptian President Anwar Sadat machine gunned dead by Islamic Jihad in Cairo for working for peace. 7 others killed, 28 wounded. The assassins are later executed.


1982


Beginning of the 8 years of terrorism in Lebanon.


July 19 - David Dodge, President of the American University in Beirut kidnapped, spends one year in captivity.


Aug. 19 - Two American citizens, Anne Van Zanten and Grace Cutler, were killed along with 6 others when the PLO bombed a Kosher restaurant in Paris, France.


Sept. 14 - Lebanon’s President Gemayel and 26 others assassinated by a massive car bomb in Beirut.


1983


Mar. 16 - 5 Marines wounded in hand grenade attack on Beirut International Airport.


April 18 - CIA’s Middle East Director, and 83 others are killed, 120 injured in truck bomb on the US Embassy in Lebanon.


Sept. 29 - Gulf Air Flight 771 is bombed, explodes killing all 166 aboard.


Oct. 23 - Simultaneous suicide truck bombs in Lebanon: 1st crashed into lobby of US Marine Corps Headquarters, 241 Marines dead, 82 seriously injured - and 2nd was French compounds killing 58 paratroopers.


Dec. 12 - US Embassy in Kuwait targeted to destroy the building with a truck bomb, attack foiled by guards and the device killed 5 people and injured 80.


1984


Jan. 18 - Malcolm Kerr, President of the American University of Beirut, was killed by two Hizballah gunmen.


Mar. 8 - Rev. Weir and wife kidnapped in Lebanon and held for 16 months.


Mar. 9 - Car bomb kills 80 (22 Americans) and wounds more than 200 civilians when it drove past the checkpoint at the U.S. Embassy in Awkar.


Mar. 16 - Hizballah kidnapped, tortured and killed William Buckley, an officer at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut.


Apr. 12 - Hizballah bombed restaurant adjacent to US Air Force base in Torregon Spain, 18 servicemen killed and 83 Americans wounded.


Sept. 20- US embassy in the Beirut is bombed - 2 servicemen and 23 employees are killed, 21 Americans injured including the U.S. and British Ambassadors. 50+ Lebanese were injured.


Dec. 4 - Terrorists hijacked Kuwait Airlines Flight 221 and demanded the release from Kuwaiti jails of some members, serving sentences for attacks on French and American targets. 2 Americans murdered.


1985


March 16 - US journalist Terry Anderson kidnapped in Lebanon, finally released in Dec. 1991 - 6 years later.


April 5 - Bomb explodes outside Hezbollah headquarters in Beirut killing 80 people.


April 12 - Bombing of U.S. soldier’s favorite restaurant in Madrid, killing 18 and injuring 82.


June 14 - TWA Boeing 727 Flight 847 hijacked en route to Rome, 8 crew and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, U.S. Navy diver was murdered. After being flown twice to Algiers, the hostages were released after the US pressured to release 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners.


Sept. 30 - Four Soviet diplomats kidnapped in Lebanon, 1 killed but other three released unharmed after a relative of the terrorist leader’s was kidnapped and killed by the Soviet KGB.


Oct. 7 - Terrorists seize the Italian cruise liner, Achille Lauro, during a cruise in the Mediterranean, taking more than 700 people hostage for 3 days. Disabled U.S. citizen, Leon Klinghoffer, was murdered in front of other hostages by throwing him in the ocean, before the Egyptian Government offered the terrorists safe haven in return for the hostages’ freedom.


Nov. 23 - 98 passengers and crew of an Egyptair Flight 648 are held hostage by Palestinian terrorists in Malta. 5 passengers shot, 2 died, later 57 additional passengers killed when the terrorists set off explosives in the aircraft.


Dec. 27 - Suicide grenade and gun attacks in passenger terminals at Rome and Vienna, Italy airports results in 16 people being killed plus 5 Americans and more than 100 civilians injured.


1986


March 30-April 2nd - A bomb exploded on a TWA flight 840 from Rome as it approached Athens airport. The attack killed 4 U.S. citizens who were sucked through a hole made by the blast, 1 infant, and 9 injured, although the plane safely landed.


April 6 - An explosion at the “La Belle” nightclub in Berlin, U.S. soldiers’ hang-out, was bombed, killing 3 and injuring 230 people, including 79 U.S. soldiers.


Sept. 5 - Pan Am Boeing 747 Flight 73 en route to Frankfurt and on to New York hijacked by Palestinian terrorists, with 379 passengers, including 89 Americans, 22 hostages killed, 127 wounded.


Sept. 9 - Hezballah kidnapped Frank Reed, President of American University in Beirut, and held for 44 months, and Joseph Cicippio, and Edward Tracy who were each held for 5 years.


Sept. 17 - A 10-month series of terrorist bomb attacks in France begins. One bomb in Paris kills 5 and injures 52.


1987


A car bomb exploded outside the back gate of the U.S. Embassy in Rome and rockets were fired at the compound from across the street. One passerby was injured in the attacks.


1988


Feb. 5 - US Marine Corps Lt. Colonel Higgens, Chief of the U.N. Truce Force kidnapped and murdered by Hezbollah.


March 16 - 4000+ Kurdish civilian bodies found after Saddam Hussein ordered nerve gas attack (weapon of mass destruction) in northern Iraq, after they revolted against his rule from Baghdad. 1.5 million relocated, 200,000 disappeared.


April 5 - 122 held hostage after a Kuwaiti Boeing 747 was hijacked and diverted to Iran, then Cyprus. Kuwait refused requests by hijackers to release 17 convicted terrorists. After 15 days the hijackers were granted asylum in Algeria and released their hostages.


June 26 - US Naval Attache killed in Athens, Greece.


Dec. 21 - Pan Am Flight 103 - Boeing 747 from London to New York, blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb. All 259 passengers and 11 on the ground were killed, including 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel.


1989


June 12 - A bomb exploded aboard an unoccupied boat used by U.S. consular staff.


Sept. 19 - 171 passengers killed when French UTA flight 772 explodes in mid-air over Niger.


October 11 - Izmir, Turkey. A bomb went off outside a U.S. military PX.


1990


Feb. - Attack of tour bus in Egypt killing 11.


1991
Feb. 7 - Incirlik Air Base, Turkey, U.S. civilian contractor shot as he was getting into his car.


Oct. 28 - Ankara, Turkey. Victor Marwick, an American soldier serving at the Turkish-American base, Tuslog, was killed and his wife wounded in a car bomb attack.


Oct. 28 - Two car bombings killed a U.S. Air Force Sergeant and severely wounded an Egyptian diplomat in Istanbul.


Nov. 8 - Bomb destroyed part of the American University in Beirut, killing 1 and wounding 12.


1992


March 17 - Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, destroyed by bomb killing 29, injuring 60.


Hotel in Yemen bombed and U.S. servicemen killed, Operation Restore Hope.


1993


Jan. 25, Virginia, U.S.A. A Pakistani terrorist opened fire with AK-47 on CIA employees standing outside the building. Two agents, Frank Darling and Bennett Lansing, were killed and 3 others wounded.


Feb. 26 - World Trade Center in New York badly damaged by a massive bomb by Islamic terrorists. The van bomb was planted in an underground garage and left 6 people dead and 1042 injured and almost � billion dollars in damage.


Feb. 26 - A bomb exploded inside a cafe in downtown Cairo killing 3, 18 wounded, 2 U.S. citizens.


July 5 - In 8 separate incidents, 19 Western tourists traveling in southeastern Turkey were kidnapped, including U.S. citizen Starger, after weeks in captivity, they were released.


Oct - Killing of U. S. soldiers in Somalia.


1994


July 18 - 86 civilians killed and 300 wounded in bomb attack on Jewish social centre in Buneos Aires, Argentina.


July 26 - Israeli Embassy in London is car-bombed, wounding 20.


Air France Flight 8969 is hijacked to crash the plane in Paris but didn’t succeed.
A small bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines flight 434, killing a Japanese businessman.


1995


Jan. 22 - Islamic Jihad militants blow themselves up amid a group of soldiers near Netanya, killing 21. Operation Bojinka is discovered on a laptop in a Manila, Philippines apartment, in which Osama bin Laden was planning to blow up 12 planes as they flew to the U.S., plus kill the Pope.


March 8 - Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan.


April 9 - Islamic Jihad suicide bomber attacks military convoy in Gaza, killing 7 soldiers and an American tourist.


May 5 - Five foreign oil workers murdered by Islamic GIA terrorists in Algeria.


June 26 - Assassination attempt made against Egyptian President Honsi Mubarak by Islamic radicals who ambushed his motorcade.


July 4 - Six tourists, including two U.S. citizens taken hostage in Kashmir, India. Terrorists demanded the release of Muslim militants held in Indian prisons. On Aug. 13 the decapitated body of the Norwegian hostage was found with a note stating that the other hostages also would be killed if the group’s demands were not met. They were not and all other hostages were killed in 1996 by the terrorists.


July 25 - Islamic terrorists explode bomb in metro station in Paris, France, killing 7 people and injuring 84.


Nov. 13 - Car bomb exploded at US Army Office of the Program Manager for Saudi Arabian National Guard Modernization, in Saudi Arabia, killing seven, five of them U.S. citizens, and wounding nearly a hundred.


Nov. 19 - Islamic radicals plant bomb in Egyptian embassy in Pakistan killing 17.


Dec. 11 - 15 concurrent car bombings in Algiers kill 15 civilians and over 200 injured.


1996


Feb. 11 - Terrorists explode car bomb in Algiers killing 17. The following month, 2 more killed in another bomb and 10 are killed in a train ambush in western Algeria.


Feb. 25 - A suicide bomber blew up a commuter bus in Jerusalem, killing 26, including 3 U.S. citizens, and injuring 80 others, among them another two U.S. citizens.


April 19 - Eighteen Greek tourists were gunned down near the historic Pyramids in Egypt by Islamic terrorists aiming to destroy the country’s tourist industry.


May - Osama bin Laden unites the Islamic Fundamentalists worldwide in their Jihad against Jews and Western Gentiles, such as al-Qaeda, Palestinian Authority, Hezbollah, Hamas, Mujahideen, using the Taliban’s organization to help fund the operations.


June 25 - Terrorists explode a truck bomb next to a USAF Khobar Towers housing facility at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American servicemen and 515 injured including 240 U.S. personnel.


Islamic terrorists attack tourists in Luxor, Egypt, killing 71 people, most of them vacationers.


Aug. 26 - Sudan Airways A310 Airbus airliner hijacked en route to Jordan and diverted to England. British authorities negotiate with hijackers who release all the 13 crew and 180 passengers unharmed.


Dec. 3 - A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train, killing four and injuring 86 persons, including a U.S. citizen.


A terrorist opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the US, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself.


Dec. 23 - A car bomb in the Algerian capital, Algiers, kills three and injures 70 people in cafe near the port. Again a week later, a car bomb kills 28 people and injures 35 people. 3rd car bomb in the past two weeks, killing additional 13 people and injuring more than 250.


1997


Jan. 2 - Major cities worldwide and U.S. get letter bombs with Egyptian postmarks at newspaper bureaus in DC, New York, London, Riyadh, S.A., and Leavenworth, KN. Experts defused all but the 1 in London, injuring 2.


Jan. 7 to 21st - Islamic terrorist rampage during these 14 days with car bombs and beheadings in Algiers, total of 238 dead, 139 wounded.


Feb. 23 - Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State building in New York, killing 1 and wounding over a dozen visitors before turning the gun on himself.


March 7 - Two killed in bus bomb attack in Beijing, China.


April - Terrorists behead innocent civilians this whole month with a total of 272 murdered and over 100 injured. Knives, axes and chainsaws were used and many of the bodies were burned while still alive.


Sept. 18- 9 German tourists killed when Muslims fire bombed bus in Cairo, Egypt.


Nov. 12 - 2 Terrorists shot to death 4 U.S. auditors of a Texas petroleum company and their driver at a Sheraton Hotel in Karachi, Pakistan.


Nov. 17 - 58 western tourists killed and 30 injured in gun attack at historic monuments in southern Egypt. 6 of the Islamic terrorists are killed in shoot out with police.


1998


Jan. 15 - U.S. Embassy bombing in Peru.


Feb. 23 (Published) - A Statement signed by many Islamic Jihad Leaders from most Muslim countries, first by Sheikh Osamah Bin-Ladin: “…In compliance with God’s order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies–civilians and military–is an individual duty for every Muslim who can, in any country in which it is possible… We — with Allah’s help — call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded, to comply with Allah’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. Unless you go forth, Allah will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.”


Aug. 7 - Simultaneous bombs in US Embassies in Kenya, and Tanzania, heavily damaged by massive attacks. In the Nairobi attack 292 people were killed, including 12 Americans, and 5,000 injured. 10 people were killed and 86 injured in Tanzania incident for a total of 302 dead, 5086 injured within an hour.


Aug. 25 - 3 people killed and 25 injured in bomb attack on Planet Hollywood restaurant in Cape Town, South Africa.


Dec. 28 - 16 Western tourists kidnapped, 12 Britons, 2 U.S. citizens, and 2 Australians on the main road to Aden, Yemen. Four victims were killed during a rescue attempt the next day.


1999


Aug. 31 to Sept. 22nd - Russian apartment bombings kill almost 300 and injured 100.


Oct. 31 - EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed off the U.S. coast of Massachusetts, killing all 217 people on board, including 100 Americans.


Nov. 12 - Six rockets were fired at the U.S. and U.N. offices in Islamabad, Pakistan.


Dec. - Millennium terror plots foiled as customs agents arrest a man smuggling in explosives. Plan to attack Los Angeles airport and other sites intercepted by CIA. Also Jordanian authorities foil a plot to bomb US tourists in Jordan, pick up 28 suspects.


Indian Airlines Flight 814, en route to Delhi, India is hijacked, 1 passenger is killed. After negotiations with the Taliban, the hostages are released.


2000


The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb USS The Sullivans sinks.


Oct. 12 - A suicide boat exploded next to the U.S.S. Cole (guided-missile destroyer), blowing a hole 40 feet in diameter, killing 17 American sailors and injuring 39.


2001


Feb. 5 - A bomb blast in Moscow’s Byelorusskaya subway station injures 15 people.


March 28 - Bombing at bus stop in Yemen. U.S. citizens injured including a 15 year old boy from NY.


Aug. 9 - Bombing at Sbarro’s pizzeria, killed 15 and wounded over 90, 2 of which were U.S. citizens.


Sept. 11 - 4 U.S. jetliners hijacked and forced to crash into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon like missiles, and 1 crashed in Pennsylvania on the way to the Capital Building in D.C. In all, 266 people perished in the four planes, 2602 people were killed on the ground, plus 343 firefighters, and 184 people at the Pentagon. Almost 5000 injured, 500 rescue workers now have respiratory ailments. 7 buildings collapsed in NY and 23 damaged, plus 4 subway stations.


Paris embassy terrorist attack plot foiled


Oct. 27 - Darya Khanah bombed


Dec. 13 - Terrorist attack on Indian Parliament.


Dec. 22 - Richard Reid, attempting to destroy American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami, is subdued by passengers and flight attendants before he could detonate his shoe bomb.


2002


Jan. 27 - A Palestinian woman triggered a massive explosion in Jerusalem killing 1 Israeli and injuring more than 150, including American Mark Sokolow, his wife, and both teenage daughters. Sokolow had survived the 9-11 attack on the World Trade Center, escaping from his law office on the 38th floor of the South Tower before it collapsed.


Feb. 16 - Bombing in Karnei Shomron, in a group of teenage girls from the U.S. 2 killed, 4 wounded.


Singapore embassies terrorist attack plot foiled


March 24 - 20 people die and 93 injured in 3 bomb attacks on Russian towns near the border of Chechnya.


April - Explosion at most historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, most are German tourists.


May 9 - A bomb exploded in Dagestan kills 42 people and injures 130 during Victory Day festivities.


French oil tanker Limburg bombing off Yemen


Kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl


Oct. 12 - Bali car bombing of holidaymakers in a nightclub kills 202 Australian citizens.


Zamboanga bombings in the Philippines<


Oct. 19 - Car bomb explodes at McDonald’s restaurant in Moscow, killing 1 person and wounding 5.


Oct. 23 - Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue 3 days later.


Nov. - Kenyan hotel suicide bombing kills 16 safari tourists.
Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait


2003


May 10- Suicide bombers killed 36 (10 U.S. citizens), at housing compounds for westerners in Riyadh, S.A. Many wounded.


May 12 - attack outside U.S. Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.


May 14 - 16 die in a suicide bombing at a religious festival in southeastern Chechnya.


May - 4 bombs killed 33 tourists (8 U.S. citizens) in Casablanca, Morocco.


July 5 - 15 people die and 40 are injured in bomb attacks at a rock festival in Moscow.


Aug. 1 - An explosion at the Russian hospital in North Ossetia kills 50 people and injures 76.


Aug. - Suicide car bomb killed 12 and injured over 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.


Sept. 3- A bomb on a passenger train in southern Russia kills 7 people and injures 90.


Oct. 15 - Bombing of US diplomatic convoy in the Gaza Strip: 3 U.S. citizens killed.


Nov. - Explosions rocked a Riyadh, S.A. housing compound, killing 17.


Nov. - Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul kills 26, injures 22.


Dec. 5 - Suicide bombers kill 46 people in an attack on a train in southern Russia.


Dec. 9 - A blast in the center of Moscow kills 6 people and wounds at least 11.


Bombings of United States expatriate housing compounds in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kill 26 and injure 160.


Attacks in Casablanca, Morocco leaves 41 dead. The attack involved 12 bombers and 5 targets. The targets were “Western and Jewish”.


Istanbul Bombings: Within five days, truck bombs go off at two synagogues, the British Consulate, and the HSBC Bank in Istanbul, Turkey


2004


109 Kurds are killed in 2 suicide bombings in Arbil, Iraq


Feb. 6 - Bomb on Moscow subway kills 41.


Feb. 27 - Superferry 14 is bombed in the Philippines by Abu Sayyaf, killing 116.


March 11 - 10 Simultaneous bombings of busiest rush hour commuter trains in Madrid, Spain kills 202 people and injures more than 1,400.


April 21 - Bombing of a security building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills 5.


May 29 - Al-Khobar massacres–Islamic terrorists kill 22 people and one American at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.


June 8 - Robert Jacobs, a US defense contractor employee is assassinated at his home in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia by Al-Qaeda terrorists.


June 11 - Terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson, Jr. in Riyadh.


Aug. 24 - Russian airplane bombings kill 90.


Aug. 31 - A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills 10 people and injures 33.


Sept. 1 - 3 - Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia results in over 330 dead.


Sept. 9 - Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed, killing 9 people.


Oct. 7 - 3 car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula hotel, killing 32 and wounding 114, most of them tourists.

This post has been edited by wulf42: 30 October 2009 - 03:21 PM

[PocketRocket]

A few people on this and other threads have asked why Muslims are not taking a stand against the violence and terrorism.
Evidently a few are speaking out.......
http://www.islamfort...m/terrorism.htm
http://www.reformislam.org/
http://www.rayhawk.c...atusa/home.html
http://islam.about.c...1statements.htm
http://www.islamonli...ews%2FNWELayout
.....this should do as a start.

[wulf42]

PocketRocket, on Oct 30 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

A few people on this and other threads have asked why Muslims are not taking a stand against the violence and terrorism.
Evidently a few are speaking out.......
http://www.islamfort...m/terrorism.htm
http://www.reformislam.org/
http://www.rayhawk.c...atusa/home.html
http://islam.about.c...1statements.htm
http://www.islamonli...ews%2FNWELayout
.....this should do as a start.

I am impressed!!! hopefully if enough muslims feel this way events like the ones in
the list i provided will cease!