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  1. Islamophobia in Canada

    Some will want to do that, for sure. Most will just cluck on about how "This isn't the REAL Islam" while they video your beheading on their new iphone.
  2. Justin Trudeau the Worst PM Since Pierre Trudeau?

    There's a thread on here right now about how to get passports and visas. Easy peasy.
  3. Thank you Trudeau...

    I have a question: There's a lot of accusations about the make-up of the jury, but I thought it was supposed to be a jury of Stanley's peers (which it was) not of Bouchie's? Is this correct? I understand that the Bouchie family wanted indigenous people on the jury, and I agree to an extent. The extent would be another point you make: If the jury had only been indigenous people, couldn't Stanley have made the same charge - that it wasn't a jury of his peers? I'm assuming that any white person who said, "Ya, the Native kid had it coming" wouldn't be selected for the jury, the same as any indigenous person who said, "Ya, I wanna hang the white guy" wouldn't be selected. Why are we assuming that only indigneous people can be impartial and that no racism exists amongst indigenous people?
  4. Cannabis

    "Stop harshing my mellow."
  5. Why is it so hard for you to understand the difference between winter-wear and an extremist religious garment that promotes and legitimizes beliefs completely out of harmony with what Canadians value? And a beekeeper outfit??? Seriously??? You insist on comparing an offensive and harmful extremist religious garment to a beekeeper outfit??
  6. It is exactly False Dilemma. You present it as: We EITHER allow everyone to cover their faces OR no one is allowed to under any circumstances.
  7. It is extremist - it's the ideology of radical Islam. I have never said they have "no right" to be in Canada. (<<<----- Ad Hominem)
  8. Are there harmful effects to wearing those? I know if you wear your necktie too tight, it can cause some problems. Are people dying over vests and furry sandals?
  9. I've talked and quoted and cited many of the harmful effects - psychologically, emotionally, socially, physically. Yes, it has my disapproval. I've asked you before to list all the benefits of hijabs and burkas. Please tell us how beneficial it is.
  10. It's hard to hold a discussion on it with someone who believes wearing harmful, extremist religious garments is exactly the same as someone with an actual medical condition having to cover up to protect themselves.
  11. So which parts of Islamic ideology do you feel that Canadians should NOT capitulate to? Anything? You seem to always argue that it is Canadians who must submit to Islamic wants and desires, that it is Canadians who must be tolerantand accepting of Muslim culture, never the other way around.
  12. Yup. That's exactly what I'm saying - people allergic to sunlight should not be allowed to cover up if Muslim women aren't allowed to cover up.
  13. My point was in regard to the claim that they are "flexible" in showing their faces. Last summer there was a young Muslim girl at a Mall here in Edmonton who tried to make a scene by going into a shoe repair shop that had a sign on the door that faces needed to be seen upon entering - no face coverings, no balaclavas. The store owner didn't want a lengthy civil rights battle so he now has to allow it all in his shop. I see a lot of flexibility on the part of Canadians, as you pointed out above. Not much on the part of Muslims. I see respect for other cultures as a 2-way street. You see it as Canadians must capitulate to Islam, but Islam doesn't have to do anything to accomodate Canadian culture, which is open and relies on seeing the face to build trust. Perhaps I would feel differently about it if there was more flexibility and respect on the part of Muslims. Perhaps I would feel differently if these garments were actually a part of the religion and not the uniform of Muslim extremists, enforced and promoted by extremists.
  14. So, they don't want to take it off for governmental anything, for judicial anything, not for school or university, not for work, not for voting, not for anything out in public. So where are all these "flexible" times when they can show their face?
  15. Really? Did you miss the one who fought for the right to not show her face during the Canadian Citizenship Oath? Pretty sure you didn't. These don't say "flexible" to me. Respect for other cultures is a 2-way street. Fighting to wear it during the Citizenship Oath: Fighting to wear it in courtrooms: Fighting to wear it in classrooms: Fighting to wear it at all times: I'm sure you're aware of the uproar when Bill 94 was introduced, requiring people who wear face coverings in Quebec to remove them if they work in the public sector or do business with government officials. Fighting to wear it when voting:
  16. No. I just believe it's far less a matter of "choice" than it's purported to be. Sort of like when a mugger says "Gimme all your money or I'll kill you." there's really only one "choice" to make.
  17. I don't think he has wiped out ISIS. Their women followers are fighting in the courts to keep that tradition alive.
  18. I wonder why so many of them are fighting in the courts to not be flexible and show their face when required?
  19. Exactly. Except it's not a requirement of Islam. It's the uniform ISIS requires all women to wear. Or die.
  20. But let's not try to fool ourselves or anybody else that the Queen choosing to wear a headscarf on a windy day is anything like the "choice" Muslim women face. It's not even close. A headscarf is a choice. A hijab is not.
  21. As I'm sure you're aware, the Queen does not wear a headscarf to express her submission to the male gender, nor does she wear it because ISIS demands it of all women. She is also permitted to leave the palace without it on. So in this case, yes. She is wearing it as her choice. The hijab is not "just a headscarf".
  22. Iran needs some democracy

    Point taken. Will think on how that aspect of choice fits in.
  23. Iran needs some democracy

    Few JW's are converts. The majority of those who convert come from 3rd world countries. JW's also have the lowest retention rate of all religions, most who are born into it, no longer follow it or leave when they get older. Being a born-in, not a convert, I do not fully understand why grown adults would join the religion. In working with them, they all say, almost to the individual - that much was hidden from them in the early days of becoming a JW and that if they had fully understood what all would be expected of them, they would have never joined in the first place. This is common in cults. One of the first things they tell you when you get interested in them is that you will face opposition to your studying from your family and freinds and advises you to cut them off and not listen to them. This is common in cults. If you were a JW, then you know the massive amount of time that must be spent at meetings, in service, in prayer, in association only with other JW's and in study (OMG the studying!!!). This is also common in cults. The brainwashing must be done repetitively and often. I was surprised when I researched mind-control and cults and found out how pervasive it is in the JW religion. If you went into it and joined up fully aware of what you were signing up for, my experience in working with survivors tells me you would be the exception. Am I painting ALL JW's as helpless victims of brainwashing? I know you are against generalities and that you like to point out the 1-2 % of exceptions to anything and that somehow nullifies the other 98% in your mind. But it doesn't for me. When I was working with survivors, if I had spent time worrying about the 1-2% instead of the 98%, I wouldn't have been very helpful. **swims around your bait, but doesn't bite** Yes, Khadr was pretty exceptional. Most religions don't teach their children to kill.
  24. Iran needs some democracy

    Thank you, Kactus, for taking the time to understand where I'm coming from and for discussing in a respectful way. If you have further interest in the subject, I would suggest that you investigate your first 3 responses a bit more. Read the exerpts from the book on the thread I linked to before. I really, really do understand and respect the idea of "choice". The point at which that "choice" is not of prime importance is when it no longer is a choice that only affects them PERSONALLY. When the choice being made starts to impact society, especially in a negative way, is where I draw the line on personal "choice". Many Muslims have come to Canada to escape these medieval type of beliefs and I think their feelings also need to be taken into account. They express great disappointment and fear when they come to Canada to escape such things and see it being promoted here, as well. Why should their feelings be less important? I suspect there are more Muslims who would also like to see an end to these garments, than there are ones who want to bring it back, especially in Canada. Those who cling to it, IMO, do so out of fear of reprisals from their community and/or families, lack of correct information, lack of education, comfort in the familiar - more so than out of any "choice". http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/raheel-raza/niqab-burka-ban-canada_b_8189112.html http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/khan-the-niqab-takes-us-back-to-where-muslim-women-should-not-be-going I relate this to the blood transfusion issue with JW's. All JW's make the choice to not have blood transfusions under any circumstances but that choice is not based on accurate information, only information they have been force-fed through the religion and must comply with or else lose their families, livelihoods, etc. The government had to step in and many JW's had their children taken away from them during medical emergencies. The JW reaction was to fight back by focusing on indoctrinating their children to shun blood transfusions and to stand up to the doctors and judges. I was part of the religion when we were instructed very strongly to make sure that our children also denied themselves this medical treatment. This works to an extent - the government then decided that if a mature minor felt very strongly about it, they could make their own "choice". But I'm sure you can see the "choice" is really not their own. It's an illusion of choice, which I cannot support. And every JW will say, "It's my choice" about blood transfusions, too. Thank the goddess, the government stepped in and denied them this "choice" or there would have been many many more deaths.