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#211 Alta4ever

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:22 PM

Not loyal to symbols of subjugation, "God-given" masters, colonialism and slavery.

Do you not realize that it was the British who were the first to free the slaves, condem it, and fight it?
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:24 PM

She is involved with our country so when some jackass comes around and tries to do something "unconstitutional" or something of major harm to the country - the queen can veto his/her decisions.

For example, what if Bush was the prime minister, and he wanted to start a war with Iraq against the wishes of the UN. The queen can veto his decisions. However, he is the president, no one has higher authority - who is to stop him?

I guess my problem is then with her qualification to hold such power.

Divine right? Hmmm... Sounds ridiculous in the 21st century, doesn't it?
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:25 PM

The constitution should be written by the people for the people. If it is not - it should be re-written.

The queen is the personification of how stateless we are - a foreign ruler owns our land...


The queen does not own our land, and the monarch did not write our constitution our constitution was given to us by the British parliment, we have molded it and shaped it ourselves.

Did you know that we could end up with a different successor to the Canadian throne than the British? When the British changed their sucession laws we did not.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:26 PM

Then why is she involved? It's ridiculous...


No its tradition and its our Canadian tradition, why can't you accept this?
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:27 PM

Well, you could go live in Afghanistan, then. I'd rather than that you bring the current Afghani way of life here.

LOL :D

And you can go back to the dark ages and bow to everyone the law requires you to (or have your head removed) :P
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:28 PM

They are still Canadian and should be considered Canadian first they should have pride for immigrating and become part of our rich history, but this is just not the case because understanding what it is to be Canadian is not part of the immigration process, so what happens is they bring their entire set of traditions from their country and relate that to being Canadian. This just isn't the case, some of that should be left behind, and the good parts of the tradition be absorbed into Canadian culture. Without the ability to do this we just import the problems. Trudeau was a fool. I too interact with people who are first generation Canadians and I welcome them. What are we if we don't know where our country and culter comes from and how do we know where we are going. The multiculter platitues are just an empty shell. Why do you this immigrants are always something eles first and Canadian second? Chinese Canadian, Dutch Canadian, ect. not Canadian - Chinese, Canadian-Dutch, ect?

We have really lost something and if you look around Canadian cities you will find that these groups segrate themselves in areas of the cities. This is not multi-culteralism, it is self imposed segragation.


I agree completely and wholeheartedly. Dief the Chief once had a vision of what Canada should be like:

"I am the first prime minister of this country of neither altogether English or French origin. So I determined to bring about a Canadian citizenship that knew no hyphenated consideration....I'm very happy to be able to say that in the House of Commons today in my party we have members of Italian, Dutch, German, Scandinavian, Chinese and Ukrainian origin -- and they are all Canadians." -- John Diefenbaker, March 29, 1958

The only way we can unite as a county is if everybody drops their "nationalities" dictated by their ancestors. You don't get to choose where you were born. However, you were able to choose to live on this great land under this great nation - be proud that you are here. You don't come to Canada to live off of our institutions and free health care, you come here to be Canadian. If you looked at the colour of my skin, or the colour of my hair, you could say that I come from a Chinese background. Raised and educated in this country since the tender age of 3, I have been Canadian all my life. Chinese by birth and Canadian by choice. I do not consider myself a "Chinese-Canadian", I am just a Canadian.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:31 PM

Why do you this immigrants are always something eles first and Canadian second? Chinese Canadian, Dutch Canadian, ect. not Canadian - Chinese, Canadian-Dutch, ect?


Because they are xxx (adjective)-Canadian (noun)

And I'm happily Irish-Canadian. My family has been since 1847.
But I live in an Italian-Canadian area, which is fast dispersing.

Give it a rest, already. Integration into Canadian life takes time, sometimes a generation.

Always has. Your ancestors did too.

There are a lot of generalized anti-immigrant slurs in your comments.
Perhaps your family had to endure that too.
Which wave of immigration is your family from?
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Edited by tango, 08 October 2008 - 07:34 PM.

My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:31 PM

I guess my problem is then with her qualification to hold such power.

Divine right? Hmmm... Sounds ridiculous in the 21st century, doesn't it?


Read about the Magna Carta

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:34 PM

LOL :D

And you can go back to the dark ages and bow to everyone the law requires you to (or have your head removed) :P


You don't have to bow to the queen

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:34 PM

They are still Canadian and should be considered Canadian first they should have pride for immigrating and become part of our rich history, but this is just not the case because understanding what it is to be Canadian is not part of the immigration process, so what happens is they bring their entire set of traditions from their country and relate that to being Canadian. This just isn't the case, some of that should be left behind, and the good parts of the tradition be absorbed into Canadian culture. Without the ability to do this we just import the problems. Trudeau was a fool. I too interact with people who are first generation Canadians and I welcome them. What are we if we don't know where our country and culter comes from and how do we know where we are going. The multiculter platitues are just an empty shell. Why do you this immigrants are always something eles first and Canadian second? Chinese Canadian, Dutch Canadian, ect. not Canadian - Chinese, Canadian-Dutch, ect?

We have really lost something and if you look around Canadian cities you will find that these groups segrate themselves in areas of the cities. This is not multi-culteralism, it is self imposed segragation.

When I was at the Citizenship ceremony and swore allegiance to the queen there were some words said by the person that was taking out oaths. A part of their speech was as follows (or close to it): keep your languages and your cultures, contribute to your communities.

It definitely sounded like the Liberals or the Queen or both were ASKING us not to dissolve in the Canadian mass but preserve our ethnic identities.

I'm not sure if the Canadians born here realize that...
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:37 PM

So would you like the state to take away your home its within their right. If you study British History you would find that the monarch could take land from its citizens this is the History of British Common and this all started with the Magna Carta.

What is it that scares you about having the right to own property and the government not having the right to take it away from an act of parliment. In this country we are one house of commons vote and one senate vote on a bill that nationalizes all property. In other words everything you have worked for can be taken away from you in a instant, and be left with nothing but want the state determines it will provide you with. To me this is a very scary prospect.

I think you should go and read a little on the founding documents of this country and the history of British common law, you would come away very surprised at what you will find.

My state owning my land - that's Socialism.

Foreign ruler owning my land - that's Colonialism and Monarchy.

I'm pretty sure Socialism is way ahead of Monarchy.

Edited by PoliticalCitizen, 08 October 2008 - 07:37 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:37 PM

And you can go back to the dark ages and bow to everyone the law requires you to (or have your head removed.


No, no; you're confused again. It was you who wanted to be loyal to rocks and dirt, like in Afghanistan. You'll find life there quite like the Dark Ages too. If you don't act like it, you might just get your head removed, too.

Edited by g_bambino, 08 October 2008 - 07:38 PM.


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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:39 PM

Do you not get that the Monarch is the symbol of this?

Foreign Monarch is both a symbol of usurping the people and disowning the country.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:39 PM

Read about the Magna Carta


He really needs to read more than that. If he can read, that is...

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:40 PM

When I was at the Citizenship ceremony and swore allegiance to the queen there were some words said by the person that was taking out oaths. A part of their speech was as follows (or close to it): keep your languages and your cultures, contribute to your communities.

It definitely sounded like the Liberals or the Queen or both were ASKING us not to dissolve in the Canadian mass but preserve our ethnic identities.

I'm not sure if the Canadians born here realize that...


Why shouldn't you be able to keep your language and knowledge of your cultures? You can keep your languages and the knowledge of your culture.. However, Canada comes first. One of the responsibilities of a Canadian citizen is to protect the Canadian heritage.



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