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#1 jdobbin

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 04:27 PM

http://www.montrealg...5662/story.html

The survey conducted for Canwest News Service and Global National for Easter, found 30 per cent of Canadians who believe in God also believe in evolution. Another 23 per cent of believers say they agree with ideas put forth by both creationists and evolutionists.

“As you get older, you become more accepting of possibilities,” says John Wright, senior vice-president of Toronto-based pollster Ipsos Reid. “There are now people who are prepared to accept both sides and don’t see them as necessarily being mutually exclusive.”

Overall, 31 per cent of Canadians believe humans were created by “a spiritual force” and not as part of an evolution from other species over time; 41 per cent believe that humans evolved “from lower species such as apes;” 21 per cent are on the fence, agreeing and disagreeing with certain aspects of each theory; seven per cent aren’t sure.


You can see that with people divided on the issue that it lends itself to trying to get creationism taught in schools.

And if creationism is accepted then why not all rules that separate church and state?

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 05:18 PM

Creationism is part of religious instruction, wherever that is appropriate.

I think what the survey shows is that most Canadians don't think creationism and evolution are incompatible.

There was a point in evolution when homo sapiens emerged, the beginning of human consciousness. I see the Bible's creation story as a literary allegory for that point in human evolution.

I don't think there's much of a debate here. One is science, one is literature, religious literature, taught in religious settings as 'doctrine', or in secular educational settings as literature for critique.

I don't think Canadians are divided, except those who isolate themselves by insisting that their creation doctrine be imposed on others, but they are an insignificant minority trying to create divisions where none really exist.

Edited by tango, 10 April 2009 - 05:33 PM.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 09:18 PM

“As you get older, you become more accepting of possibilities,” says John Wright, senior vice-president of Toronto-based pollster Ipsos Reid.


It's called fear of death.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 05:52 AM

75% of Canadians may believe that they'll win big in a lottery next year, so should this also be taught in schools? Creationism is not a science, not a theory, only a belief, by another name. There's not a single experiment, not a known scientific theory that something can be materialized out of thin air. Let's put the question right, should beliefs, superstitions and religious practices be taught in public schools? It would certainly have effect on the kind of society our posterior will live in.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 07:03 AM

41 per cent believe that humans evolved “from lower species such as apes;”


:huh:

CanWest springing for a scientifically incompetent survey about evolution? Who could have called it?

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:34 AM

I would say the VAST majority of those that believe in creationism are Conservatives.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:57 AM

I would say the VAST majority of those that believe in creationism are Conservatives.


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Posted 11 April 2009 - 01:16 PM

There's not a single experiment, not a known scientific theory that something can be materialized out of thin air.

There is a scientific theory that states everything materialized out of nothing. There are also experiments that are proposed that are intended to lend weight to the theory.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:35 PM

There is a scientific theory that states everything materialized out of nothing. There are also experiments that are proposed that are intended to lend weight to the theory.


Not out of nothing, surely, but from random elements that randomly arranged themselves into matter... ?
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:39 PM

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You can see that with people divided on the issue that it lends itself to trying to get creationism taught in schools.

And if creationism is accepted then why not all rules that separate church and state?


Creationism is not accepted as fact, just respected as religious belief.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:03 PM

Creationism is not accepted as fact, just respected as religious belief.


No, it is excepted as fact for the foundation of many of the world's major and minor belief systems. Facts in and of themselves are not always immutable.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:10 PM

No, it is excepted as fact for the foundation of many of the world's major and minor belief systems. Facts in and of themselves are not always immutable.


I mean in the larger community, as in the survey.

And I think religion that gets hung up on proving literal facts is not about God.
It's about people trying to prove one people - their own - superior to others.
imo ;)
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:17 PM

...And I think religion that gets hung up on proving literal facts is not about God.
It's about people trying to prove one people - their own - superior to others.
imo ;)



The same can be said for those who feel superior to the "Creationists".

Edited by bush_cheney2004, 11 April 2009 - 10:57 PM.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:46 PM

The same can be said for those who feel superior to the "Creationaists".


true! ;)

I have no beef with anyone's beliefs that don't try to interfere with my own.
Thus, I have a problem with proselytizing and attempt to impose creationism in secular schools.
However, I don't think we're in much danger of that really.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 10:59 PM

true! ;)

I have no beef with anyone's beliefs that don't try to interfere with my own.
Thus, I have a problem with proselytizing and attempt to impose creationism in secular schools.
However, I don't think we're in much danger of that really.



Then I assume you have a similar "problem" with all "proselytizing", not just creationism. Lots of bullshit gets taught in "secular schools".

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