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[Smallc]

Canada's shipbuilders have agreed to a radical change in the way contracts will be doled out by the federal government.

The government plans to spend $40 billion over the next 30 years to build as many as 50 large ships, in addition to 70 ships under 1,000 tonnes that have been earmarked for revamps.

"There is going to be enough work with 50 ships on order for every shipyard in the country to be going full steam, and that's good news in terms of the economy," said Defence Minister Peter MacKay.

The government wanted to avoid a repeat of situations last year, when the construction of three navy supply ships and some coastal patrol boats was shelved because of problems with meeting the specifications at the government's budget.

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This government has made a big step towards redeeming themselves in my eyes.

Edited by Smallc, 29 July 2009 - 01:59 PM.

[Alta4ever]

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This government has made a big step towards redeeming themselves in my eyes.

Not that I am complaining but those really aren't very big those are quite small.

[Smallc]

What isn't very big? There are 70 ships under 1000 tons and up to 50 to replace the largest ships in the Navy and Coast Guard fleet. This is big. I hope that subsequent government stick to this plan. This means supply ships, patrol ships, the new surface combatants, new ice breakers, new coast guard patrol ships...not only is it big, it's huge....and it's sustainable.

Edited by Smallc, 29 July 2009 - 02:17 PM.

[TrueMetis]

Finally they're actually doing something. Wonder how long it's gonna take to build the new ships and upgrade the old ships.

[Smallc]

It will probably take a long time at first, but that's ok. Our fleet will now be staggered in age and we will have a sustainable policy and industry. We won't get what we wnt right away, but we'll always be current.

[Alta4ever]

What isn't very big? There are 70 ships under 1000 tons and up to 50 to replace the largest ships in the Navy and Coast Guard fleet. This is big. I hope that subsequent government stick to this plan. This means supply ships, patrol ships, the new surface combatants, new ice breakers, new coast guard patrol ships...not only is it big, it's huge....and it's sustainable.

Sorry the way I read it was that all were going to be under 1000 tonnes.

[Smallc]

No, it's 50 large ships and 70 smaller ones. This is the replacement of almost all government ships over the next 3 decades. It's extremely exciting.

[TrueMetis]

No, it's 50 large ships and 70 smaller ones. This is the replacement of almost all government ships over the next 3 decades. It's extremely exciting.

The 70 smaller are revamps though but at least there will be some progress.

[Alta4ever]

No, it's 50 large ships and 70 smaller ones. This is the replacement of almost all government ships over the next 3 decades. It's extremely exciting.

Then you are right this is very huge, and very wonderful.

[Smallc]

The 70 smaller are revamps though but at least there will be some progress.

revamps can be big things though. You can make an old ship like new again. The coast guard fleet doesn't need to be as new as the naval fleet, and so refitting the ships is a good idea.

[Argus]

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This government has made a big step towards redeeming themselves in my eyes.

Call me cynical, but I don't see the government ordering up 50 "large" ships.

In my books, "large" is something reserved for something the size of a frigate or a large icebreaker. Entirely replacing all the frigates, destroyers, and supply ships in the navy along with every large cutter would still not bring us anywhere near 50 ships.

[TrueMetis]

Call me cynical, but I don't see the government ordering up 50 "large" ships.

In my books, "large" is something reserved for something the size of a frigate or a large icebreaker. Entirely replacing all the frigates, destroyers, and supply ships in the navy along with every large cutter would still not bring us anywhere near 50 ships.

According to the Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms a large ship is anything over 137m long. You can decide for yourself whether you think that's large.

http://www.thefreedi....com/large ship

Edited by TrueMetis, 29 July 2009 - 03:01 PM.

[M.Dancer]

Call me cynical, but I don't see the government ordering up 50 "large" ships.

In my books, "large" is something reserved for something the size of a frigate or a large icebreaker. Entirely replacing all the frigates, destroyers, and supply ships in the navy along with every large cutter would still not bring us anywhere near 50 ships.

Well in addition to replacing...there adding an extra supply ship bringing the number to 3 and the arctic patrol vessels as well as replacing the destroyers....so your right...maybe they are adding 15 ships of unknown type?

[Smallc]

Call me cynical, but I don't see the government ordering up 50 "large" ships.

It says up to. There will be between 24 and 30 ships for the Navy and it seems that the largest in the Coast Guard fleet will be replaced. There will need to be 3 - 4 supply ships, 15 surface combatants, 6 - 8 all water patrol ships, and many coast guard ships (there are many ships in the CG that could be considered large. The ice breakers, the patrol ships, the multi role vessels, etc) there is at least 50 that can be replaced in that time. The program may even need to be expanded eventually. The thing I like is that we can probably afford the $1.33 per year.

[Smallc]

The frigates will be replaced after the other ships. The frigates and destroyers will all be the same design but will contain different modular weapons systems....or so is the plan. The patrol ships we have now will probably either be sunk or transferred to the CG.