You're obsessed with conversions.
You practically pressured me to give my point. Now that I gave it, you're mad!
Because you don't agree with my opinion. Period.
Now you want me to leave out the conversion part, perhaps because you find the truth to what I say....the grave implications of these conversions by atheist scientists to Christianity....undeniable.
I don't give a damn about a scientist's faith or lack of faith.
Then why react so strongly to my simple statement: Einstein was a deist.
This topic is about Einstein's Thoughts on Religion. It was TruMetis, followed by you who tried so damn hard to bring in the theory of Evolution to this topic.
You insisted bringing in the theory of evolution to a topic that's about a Deist scientist's thoughts on God.....what do you think will happen? They won't collide?
I'm asking you whether you think a scientist's religion (or lack of religion) to the theory they're working on
I know most scientists (regardless of their belief) don't start out working on a theory to prove their belief. But the sudden conversion from atheism to Christianity by some scientists while working their theories cannot be just set aside as irrelevant especially when they've confirmed that it was in the course of their work that they've discovered the Christian God. So to some of them it's like stumbling on a miracle.
And like the Philosopher Antony Flew who for decades had been on debates fighting for Atheism.....only to find himself in the end convinced instead to Christianity. Logic and reason was used in this instance.
True that there are still scientists who still cling to Atheism.....but the fact that there are also scientists from different fields who not only oppose the views of their atheist counterparts, but oppose them with action (conversion - which also entail humble submission) holds a lot of weight. In my view.
Analysis of behaviours and thoughts by popular scientists is done everyday....tons of books have been written about them. So what is the problem about talking about these Christian converts? Especially when their strong action - from the extreme of believing that there is no God to suddenly changing to the other extreme by outright conversion and saying I believe and worship the Christian God - is quite surprising, to put it mildly.
As I said, why didn't they just embrace Agnosticism, and leave it at that?
To put this in perspective, you won't find any published papers out there that reference God, save perhaps for psychological investigations and the like where religious beliefs are the object of the investigation. Evolution is no different than geology, cosmology, physics, astronomy, etc. in that God is not referenced as a causative and/or explanatory factor.
Let me just correct you there. TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE
, it was YOU and TruMetis who insisted to connect religion to science in this topic.
Even after the fact that I've said a couple of times that I don't want to embark on any discussion about evolution....which to tell you frankly I now find so dis-interesting.
I don't give a damn about it even if they'll claim to have found the missing link tomorrow.
If there is any show of obsession....it comes from you. You are obsessed with science....most especially with the theory
of Evolution. And we both know the real reason for that obsession.
It's noteworthy the aggressive reactions coming from some atheists in this forum - the knee jerk reactions - most of whom hurl insults. That's okay. It's understandable. The opinion expressed must've been viewed as threatening to Atheism. I suggest after some calming down, you guys just sit down and think about the grave implications of Agnostics, Deists and Atheist scientists who converted to Christianity, what these mean to the religion of Atheism. Perhaps Agnosticism is the next step for you guys.
Your reaction only serves to prove my opinion (Darwin thread):
Scientific books/peer-reviewed publication is to you as The Bible is to me.
You rely heavily on science to validate your belief.
You need and ache for validation.
You may argue about this, but action speaks louder than words.
Edited by betsy, 03 September 2010 - 05:34 AM.