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[GostHacked]

Here is a fallacy, no one is making money on the AGW scam.

[waldo]

Here is a fallacy, no one is making money on the AGW scam.

hey buddy, is your latest, as stated, emphasis on, "following the money"... an attempt to seek solace in the fact you can't challenge the actual science? Will your new found solace seeking result in a better level of argument... or will you similarly flail and wail & fluster and bluster - hey?

[GostHacked]

hey buddy, is your latest, as stated, emphasis on, "following the money"... an attempt to seek solace in the fact you can't challenge the actual science? Will your new found solace seeking result in a better level of argument... or will you similarly flail and wail & fluster and bluster - hey?

Do you disagree that people are making a lot of money here?

[Michael Hardner]

Do you disagree that people are making a lot of money here?

In order to make change happen, money will be made and money will be lost. Would it be better if the government did everything and taxe everybody ?

[GostHacked]

In order to make change happen, money will be made and money will be lost. Would it be better if the government did everything and taxe everybody ?

So to solve the world's issues someone has to make money? I don't get this. If we are really heading down that path, there is no amount of money that will actually address the issue, let alone fix it. It's a cynical view I have for sure, but when I see that the carbon market make record profits last year (in the order of about 140 billion) it tells me that this is simply a money making scheme.

Some people are making money, and some people are losing money. No doubts about that.

[Michael Hardner]

So to solve the world's issues someone has to make money? I don't get this.

Well, can you think of a counter example ? An example of solving a problem where somebody doesn't make money ?

Effort=money, goods=money

[GostHacked]

Well, can you think of a counter example ? An example of solving a problem where somebody doesn't make money ?

Effort=money, goods=money

Sure I got the solution to cure the planet .... pay up.

[bloodyminded]

Sure I got the solution to cure the planet .... pay up.

But you haven't answered Michael's question.

Name something--say, the best and most noble of all human endeavours--in which somebody doesn't get filthy rich.

One. just name one.

Consider it a challenge.

Now, why in god's name would this one, single matter, and only this one, be utterly exempt?

[GostHacked]

But you haven't answered Michael's question.

Name something--say, the best and most noble of all human endeavours--in which somebody doesn't get filthy rich.

The invention of the wheel.

One. just name one.

Electricity. Bread. Fire.

Consider it a challenge.

Sure will.

Now, why in god's name would this one, single matter, and only this one, be utterly exempt?

God does not like greed, right? But I guess one can ask why is money always the driving force? Do people do it for the money or because they have something that will revolutionize the way we live?

If the 144 billion dollar profit of the carbon trading market actually goes to funding scientists and new technologies.... great, then I really don't have a problem with it. But there are people who are proposing a solution like David Keith at the University of Calgary is being funded partly by the Alberta government and mostly by Bill Gates through his funding/grants/foundations. I fail to see how the carbon trading market benefits a guy like David Keith.

[bloodyminded]

[quote name='GostHacked' date='23 December 2010 - 12:09 PM' timestamp='1293131348' post='610239']
The invention of the wheel.[/quote]


People haven't gotten rich from that?

Really?


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Electricity. Bread. Fire.[/quote]

either you're not serious, or you didn't understand the question, or you don't know what you're saying. Lots of people have gotten, and continue to get, rich from these things.

?????



[quote]Sure will. [/quote]

Whenever you're ready to try again. Evidently energy companies and Dempster Breads don't meet your criteria.



[quote]God does not like greed, right? But I guess one can ask why is money always the driving force? Do people do it for the money or because they have something that will revolutionize the way we live? [/quote]

Both. But someone will always get rich. That's the point.

If the 144 billion dollar profit of the carbon trading market actually goes to funding scientists and new technologies.... great, then I really don't have a problem with it. But there are people who are proposing a solution like David Keith at the University of Calgary is being funded partly by the Alberta government and mostly by Bill Gates through his funding/grants/foundations. I fail to see how the carbon trading market benefits a guy like David Keith.
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[Shady]

Name something--say, the best and most noble of all human endeavours--in which somebody doesn't get filthy rich.

I always thought that the civil rights fight in the 1960's was a very noble human endeavour. I'm not sure how many multi-millionaires/billionaires were quickly created because of it.

Women's Sufferage. Same thing.

[GostHacked]

People haven't gotten rich from that?

I do see what you are getting at though. ....

Why do people need to get rich on solving a problem that could benefit all of mankind? If we are really in that much trouble on this planet due to CO2, why are people still making money on it while all these people are simply talking about it? I've made that thread about scientists currently involved in geoengineering,

Yes people have gotten rich from, bread. But those who invented bread did not get rich. Same goes for the wheel. It was invented in ancient times and well today have not invented the wheel, but they have made it better.

If I could solve the world's climate problems right now I would. And I would not care if I got a dime from it. But that's just me, not a very greedy person.

But 144 billion dollar PROFIT for a bank/trading scheme that has only been in place for about a decade is really something to make note of. Where DOES that money go?

[Shady]

I do see what you are getting at though. ....

Why do people need to get rich on solving a problem that could benefit all of mankind? If we are really in that much trouble on this planet due to CO2, why are people still making money on it while all these people are simply talking about it? I've made that thread about scientists currently involved in geoengineering,

Yes people have gotten rich from, bread. But those who invented bread did not get rich. Same goes for the wheel. It was invented in ancient times and well today have not invented the wheel, but they have made it better.

If I could solve the world's climate problems right now I would. And I would not care if I got a dime from it. But that's just me, not a very greedy person.

But 144 billion dollar PROFIT for a bank/trading scheme that has only been in place for about a decade is really something to make note of. Where DOES that money go?

Exactly. People getting rich from the wheel, or fire, etc, got rich from things they produced with it. In AGW's case, the people getting the richest aren't producing anything at all. It's like a new form of Goldman Sachs. They push paper around, make billions and billions, and pretend they're solving a problem.

[bloodyminded]

I always thought that the civil rights fight in the 1960's was a very noble human endeavour. I'm not sure how many multi-millionaires/billionaires were quickly created because of it.

Did you ever see Missippi Burning? Pretty good movie.

Made a lot of money.

Women's Sufferage. Same thing.

No women have gotten rich as a result of Suffrage????

Really????

[bloodyminded]

If I could solve the world's climate problems right now I would. And I would not care if I got a dime from it. But that's just me, not a very greedy person.

I don't doubt your word here one little bit, Gosthacked.

But others would, and will. That's completely aside from the rightness or goodness of a given project. People get rich from charity; they get rich from preaching the poverty of Jesus and the sublime ethics of Mohammad. Rich from books designed to make readers' lives better, whether sincerely or not.