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[Jack Weber]

Yes, because wiping out all but eight people on the planet in a global flood is such a merciful act.

Again...More Old Testament stuff conveniently discounting the New Testament...

[Jack Weber]

So the god of the old testament doesnt exist anymore?

All that changed is PEOPLE. Thats why the new testament is more moderate... the PEOPLE that wrote it lived in a different time.

Uh huh...

[Jack Weber]

I dunno. Apparently the reason people sin is because god made a talking snake and got it to con a woman made of ribs to eat fruit from a forbidden tree. So if you believe that, then sure you could say its gods fault.

But clearly none of that shit happened anyhow, so I definately would come down on the side of blaming people for the stupid shit they constantly do.

Are you suggesting nothing in The Bible,Old or New Testament ever happened??

[ToadBrother]

Again...More Old Testament stuff conveniently discounting the New Testament...

Could you remind me why every Christian Bible out there includes the OT? Is it sort of a "Good God, Bad God" routine?

[ToadBrother]

Are you suggesting nothing in The Bible,Old or New Testament ever happened??

It seems on the face of it that much of Genesis is myth.

[maple_leafs182]

Wars were happening long before our economic system was invented.

And these wars at their heart are economic wars. These wars are people trying to take others peoples resources.

Oh, and scarcity is a factor in all economic systems.

In all economic systems that we have tried, this is why wars have been and will continue to be a constant in our society unless there is some fundamental changes in our economic system.

[Jack Weber]

Could you remind me why every Christian Bible out there includes the OT? Is it sort of a "Good God, Bad God" routine?

Probably because the Old Testament is the bedrock of Christian and Jewish faith and lays the foundation for the New Testament for the Christian believer...

Could you please reconcile the fact that after the Old Testament (which forshadows the coming of The Saviour in several books) we are given a New Covenant in the New Testament that,by the Saviour's own admission,supercedes the Old Testament Law?

[ToadBrother]

And these wars at their heart are economic wars.

It's my contention that all wars are economic in nature. Religion, ideology, these are all faces painted on conflict.

These wars are people trying to take others peoples resources.

Or control them or create captive markets, and so on.

In all economic systems that we have tried, this is why wars have been and will continue to be a constant in our society unless there is some fundamental changes in our economic system.

There's no eliminating scarcity in certain commodities, or limitations in production capacity. Marx tried to dream one up, but all he did was deliver a system that functioned based on the lowest common denominator.

[ToadBrother]

Probably because the Old Testament is the bedrock of Christian and Jewish faith and lays the foundation for the New Testament for the Christian believer...

Could you please reconcile the fact that after the Old Testament (which forshadows the coming of The Saviour in several books) we are given a New Covenant in the New Testament that,by the Saviour's own admission,supercedes the Old Testament Law?

I don't understand the necessity of the Old Law. God is God. He need not have a limited covenant with the Israelites and screw everyone else, and then pop up and go "Haha, new plan, now everyone is saved!"

[GostHacked]

Again...More Old Testament stuff conveniently discounting the New Testament...

So basically, like using the scientific method, old knowledge was replaced by new knowledge once the old knowledge no longer fit the evolved society's ideologies.

[Jack Weber]

I don't understand the necessity of the Old Law. God is God. He need not have a limited covenant with the Israelites and screw everyone else, and then pop up and go "Haha, new plan, now everyone is saved!"

You're right!!

You don't understand...

The Law has not been replaced...But adherence to it alone cannot save one on its own...

Without the shed blood for the remission of sin,no one other than the Israelites would have the chance at Salvation...

Hence God becoming flesh and bone and seemingly dying a physical death,only to be ressurected and defeating the grave and death...

And seeing as we are still in the Age of Grace,that Resurrection is to the potential glory of us all...

[Jack Weber]

So basically, like using the scientific method, old knowledge was replaced by new knowledge once the old knowledge no longer fit the evolved society's ideologies.

Yeah,but this one's for all eternity...

[ToadBrother]

You're right!!

You don't understand...

The Law has not been replaced...But adherence to it alone cannot save one on its own...

So we should still be executing witches?

Without the shed blood for the remission of sin,no one other than the Israelites would have the chance at Salvation...

Hence God becoming flesh and bone and seemingly dying a physical death,only to be ressurected and defeating the grave and death...

And seeing as we are still in the Age of Grace,that Resurrection is to the potential glory of us all...

This is a magical formula. Is there some particular reason God would have used it? Is He bound by some sort of rules on how salvation can be achieved?

[Jack Weber]

So we should still be executing witches?



This is a magical formula. Is there some particular reason God would have used it? Is He bound by some sort of rules on how salvation can be achieved?

Executing Witches??

Huh??

Well it it would seem that during the Age of Grace one can freely come to,or reject God,all on hisor her own...

What is grace??

It's unmeritted favour...

What does that mean,in the context of God??

It means He owes you nothing because He created you..In fact,you oweHim your very existence...

But because He is a merciful God,He wants you to come to Him freely and unforced....Or,as you have chosen to do,reject Him...Of your own free will...

That's it!!

Of course,the offer stands until the Age of Grace comes to an end..

And if one believes n the 6 Day Theory,as it relates to echatology,that offer ain't gonna stand much longer...

[GostHacked]

Yeah,but this one's for all eternity...

Nothing is eternal. Everything is finite, even the universe it seems .. for all it's vastness .. is finite.