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[M.Dancer]

Yes, were seeing it in the west on TV. People who live in the west see beheadings on TV .. Maybe I should've worded it differently.

Maybe...so are you saying then there are more beheadings or we are simply more aware of that particular form of execution?

[Shwa]

Irrelevant to you.

Says you.

[Scotty]

All holy books are works of fiction. Even the Christian bible.

Whether you think it's fiction is really not relevant to the discussion. The Muslim world certainly doesn't think it's fiction. In fact, the Muslim world embraces the words of the Koran wholeheartedly. The Koran is considered, by Muslim authorities, to be the literal word of God, and a guide for the behaviour of all Muslims. I don't claim to be an expert on it, but I've read enough, and seen enough video of young Muslim boys and men sitting, cross-legged on the floor, heads bobbing up and down as they chant the words of the Koran, over an over, for hours after hours to realize what kind of indoctrination they're getting.

Tell them the Koran is a work of fiction. For that matter, go to some Muslim countries and try to tell anyone its a work of fiction. You will be arrested, and in some places, sentenced to death for such words.

[Scotty]

This thread is about how Radical Muslims interpret their Holy Book.

All Muslims, so far as I know, interpret the Koran as the literal word of God. To even question this is a crime in many Muslim states.

[DogOnPorch]

Says you.

Meh...the plane could be crashing with gun toting terrorists screaming Allahu Akbar all around you and you'd still go...

Probably pilot error.

[Shwa]

This is the foundation of the Muslim religion. I don't need to prove who wrote the Koran. I have to rpove what Radical Muslims believe. You guys are totally missing the point. You're making me, M.Canada, the topic instead of talking about this thread. That is called a strawman.

Nope. I have disproven your use of the Koran has a historical document. Without further indpendent corroboration, your use of it in this manner is invalid. The rest falls is just a repeat.

[Scotty]

Exactly. And how many people do you hear saying that Germans have a propensity for violence, or that all Germans should be kept away because of what happened in WW II ?

An awful lot of people felt an awful lot of enmity towards all Germans at the time. They held them responsible for the doings of their nation - with some justification.

[Shwa]

Meh...the plane could be crashing with gun toting terrorists screaming Allahu Akbar all around you and you'd still go...

Meh. Another DogOnPooch irrelevancy. Stick to Risk in your mothers basement where what you say has some meaning.

[Scotty]

Nope. I have disproven your use of the Koran has a historical document. Without further indpendent corroboration, your use of it in this manner is invalid. The rest falls is just a repeat.

Of course its a historical document. That isn't even in question. It's ACCURACY can be questioned, of course - although you better not do it in a Muslim state.

The point isn't its accuracy, though, it is what manner of guide it is to the billion odd Muslims out there who believe it to be the literal word of God.

[DogOnPorch]

Meh. Another DogOnPooch irrelevancy. Stick to Risk in your mothers basement where what you say has some meaning.

Ad hominem.

[Shwa]

Of course its a historical document. That isn't even in question. It's ACCURACY can be questioned, of course - although you better not do it in a Muslim state.

The point isn't its accuracy, though, it is what manner of guide it is to the billion odd Muslims out there who believe it to be the literal word of God.

The accuracy was in the way it was used and thus it's use as a historical document is invalid.

The manner in which it guides the billion odd Muslims out there is fine.

[Shwa]

Ad hominem.

Meh.

[DogOnPorch]

The accuracy was in the way it was used and thus it's use as a historical document is invalid.

The manner in which it guides the billion odd Muslims out there is fine.

Boom!

[GostHacked]

Whether you think it's fiction is really not relevant to the discussion. The Muslim world certainly doesn't think it's fiction. In fact, the Muslim world embraces the words of the Koran wholeheartedly. The Koran is considered, by Muslim authorities, to be the literal word of God, and a guide for the behaviour of all Muslims. I don't claim to be an expert on it, but I've read enough, and seen enough video of young Muslim boys and men sitting, cross-legged on the floor, heads bobbing up and down as they chant the words of the Koran, over an over, for hours after hours to realize what kind of indoctrination they're getting.

Well, like in other threads lets put the focus on those who are radicalizing the religion and hijacking (lol) it from the common follower. But as we see in so many cases all the followers of said religion get painted with the same brush. It's ignorance at it's best. It does not address the issue which is Radical Islam, which is but a small tiny fraction of Islam overall. Hell most people are not aware of the 3 major factions within Islam. The fact that the Sunnis and the Shiites don't seem to agree on many things within Islam and mostly fight with each other and kill each other more than they kill westerners or Christians. And even less know about the sub-factions within the Sunni, Shiite and Sufi factions of Islam.

Tell them the Koran is a work of fiction. For that matter, go to some Muslim countries and try to tell anyone its a work of fiction. You will be arrested, and in some places, sentenced to death for such words.

You can tell any religious group that their holy book is a work of fiction and see the reaction you get. It's not restricted to Muslims. Try to attack Christianity and see what Mr. Canada has to say about it. He is suggesting a genocide and ethnic cleansing of Canada, weather it's by forcing them our of the country, or jailing them or perhaps even kill them.

Anyone who can think will ask me the question 'why do you feel this book is fiction?'. Those who cannot end up making threats, because to me religion on the whole is simply a brainwashing machine and a control mechanism.

Edited by GostHacked, 11 March 2011 - 01:04 PM.

[DogOnPorch]

So when I tell the JWs to get lost and take their fairy tale books with them it's fatwa time for ol' DogOnPorch?