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[bleeding heart]

I haven't read the books, but I gather the character of Roz the prostitute isn't in them, yet she's all over the damn show. Meanwhile it's taken Danyerys four episodes to move, like, 10 kilomteres.

Presumably the show's writers/creators have the larger story in their scopes, and are trying to navigate it to what they feel is most fitting for the medium. Apparently, the author himself is part of the process, as consultant or what have you.

That said, I agree there are some pacing issues so far. (Though not to the egregious extent of The Walking Dead, which went seriously awry.)

[msj]

I haven't read the books, but I gather the character of Roz the prostitute isn't in them, yet she's all over the damn show. Meanwhile it's taken Danyerys four episodes to move, like, 10 kilomteres.

She is in the book but not to the same extent.

I believe your prudishness has already been noted. Perhaps you should read the books so you can self-censor more easily.

As for the scenes she has been in - they make perfect sense when one thinks about what Martin (who is part of the TV series) has to accomplish in taking a 800 page book and condense it into 10 episodes.

The extent of Joffey's monstrosity is complete.

The scars Tyrion has and how this leads him to try and protect women is also now well established (although we will see that even Tyrion has his limits - although I think that is book 3, or perhaps 4).

[Black Dog]

She is in the book but not to the same extent.

Ros does not appear in the books and is the first character created specifically for the show. However, some fans have speculated that her role is based on the 'red-headed whore' who appears very briefly in the first novel.

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I believe your prudishness has already been noted. Perhaps you should read the books so you can self-censor more easily.

Don't be dumb. It's nowt to do with prudishness. It's the extent to which the T&A in the series exists to titillate and not to advance the plot. The long scene in the whorehouse in ep 3 is a perfect example. Didn't advance the plot, didn't teach us anything about the characters.

As for the scenes she has been in - they make perfect sense when one thinks about what Martin (who is part of the TV series) has to accomplish in taking a 800 page book and condense it into 10 episodes.

The extent of Joffey's monstrosity is complete.

The scars Tyrion has and how this leads him to try and protect women is also now well established (although we will see that even Tyrion has his limits - although I think that is book 3, or perhaps 4).

Not really: I would think condensing a huge epic would mean paring down, not padding. Again, we've learned nothing we didn't already know about Littlefinger, about Joffery, about Tyrion.

[Boges]

Not really: I would think condensing a huge epic would mean paring down, not padding. Again, we've learned nothing we didn't already know about Littlefinger, about Joffery, about Tyrion.

I don't agree at all in regards to Roz. She's been used effectively three times this season.

In the first episode they showed that she's advanced to training the "ladies" then they go into the whole killing of Robert's Bastards kids, that leads us to remind everyone that Gendry is with Arya on their way to the wall.

Second scene showed how Littlefinger is a douche and has no sympathy for the emotion of Roz.

And the third scene was the best example to date of what a sadist Joffery is.

In the first season she was also used effectively to illustrate how big a perv Theon is.

Edited by Boges, 26 April 2012 - 08:25 AM.

[msj]

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You conveniently left out this part:

However, some fans have speculated that her role is based on the 'red-headed whore' who appears very briefly in the first novel. This is strengthened by the fact that Bianco was originally announced as playing 'red-headed whore' and that the character was given a name at George R.R. Martin's suggestion. Martin has stated that he intends to work the character into later books in the series, probably as a throwaway cameo just to tie her presence into both the series and books.

Don't be dumb. It's nowt to do with prudishness. It's the extent to which the T&A in the series exists to titillate and not to advance the plot. The long scene in the whorehouse in ep 3 is a perfect example. Didn't advance the plot, didn't teach us anything about the characters.

Sometimes scenes are there not to advance the plot. Although I may have to see that scene again for a reminder (partially joking/partially not).

I think you are not seeing how it will advance the plot because you have not read all of the books so you don't really know, do you?

Not really: I would think condensing a huge epic would mean paring down, not padding.

You haven't read the books and you think you can justify this opinion?

Again, we've learned nothing we didn't already know about Littlefinger, about Joffery, about Tyrion.

Once again, you haven't read the books and you think you can justify this opinion?

[Boges]

The Arya story proves again to be the most compelling thread of this show. Now she's got an ally that will kill people for her and she has access to Tywin Lannister. Very interesting.

Qarth is a very nice place, why is Hot Blonde Khalesi so eager to leave? Wait till her dragons look more dangerous than an iguana before she goes back to Westeros.

Anyone else think Theon has turned into a pretty pathetic character?

Unlike shows like Spartacus. This show can be very compelling without violence and sex. The only violence in the episode happened in the first scene but yet I found myself entertained the entire hour.

Edited by Boges, 30 April 2012 - 08:06 AM.

[waldo]

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[Black Dog]

I don't agree at all in regards to Roz. She's been used effectively three times this season.

In the first episode they showed that she's advanced to training the "ladies" then they go into the whole killing of Robert's Bastards kids, that leads us to remind everyone that Gendry is with Arya on their way to the wall.

She was more or less irrelevant to this scene.

Second scene showed how Littlefinger is a douche and has no sympathy for the emotion of Roz.

We already knew plenty about Littlefinger's moral turpitude from when he betrayed Ned in S1. This scned was just silly. All that was missing was a little mustache-twirling.

And the third scene was the best example to date of what a sadist Joffery is.

Joffery has so far lied about his attack on Arya (which led to her friend getting murdered by the Hound), executed Ned Stark, tried to drown one of his own knights in wine, and had his brde-to-be stripped while he pointed a crossbow at her head. Again, how many times are they going to beat us over the head with this stuff at the expense of actual plot development?

Edited by Black Dog, 30 April 2012 - 11:11 AM.

[Black Dog]

You conveniently left out this part:

Convinent? It just confirms what I'm saying. She's. Not. In. The. Books.

I think you are not seeing how it will advance the plot because you have not read all of the books so you don't really know, do you?

:facepalm: Given this character is not in the books, hard to see how reading the books would give us any insight as to how it will impact the plot.

You haven't read the books and you think you can justify this opinion?

Yeah, why not. They've already taken plenty of liberties with the source material in the interests of TV.

Once again, you haven't read the books and you think you can justify this opinion?

Yes. Anything else?

[Boges]

Well BD, you must have been happy that everyone's favourite busty northerner was left out of last night's episode.

There was another scene in season one where they had her talking to Pycelle where he said "The thing about Kings". She was irrelevant to that scene but yeah we got to see boobies. So effin' what?

[msj]

Convinent? It just confirms what I'm saying. She's. Not. In. The. Books.

Yes, she is in spirit. The character from the first book is definitely in there and she appears to be a take on that character.

If anything, this improves the flow of the story.

But then, you would have to read the books to have any idea about the bigger picture.

[msj]

For BD's benefit: SNL explains the Nudity in Game of Thrones.

Edited by msj, 30 April 2012 - 12:48 PM.

[Black Dog]

Yes, she is in spirit. The character from the first book is definitely in there and she appears to be a take on that character.

If anything, this improves the flow of the story.

A minor character who doesn't even get a name. Yep, totally the same thing.

But then, you would have to read the books to have any idea about the bigger picture.

Give me an effing break. First, the show has already diverged significantly from the books in a number of places. Second, it's its own work and shouldn't require any knowledge of the source material to be judged on its merits.

Edited by Black Dog, 30 April 2012 - 01:35 PM.

[msj]

A minor character who doesn't even get a name. Yep, totally the same thing.



Give me an effing break. First, the show has already diverged significantly from the books in a number of places. Second, it's its own work and shouldn't require any knowledge of the source material to be judged on its merits.

For a guy who hasn't read the books you sure seem to think you know a lot about them.

Edited by msj, 30 April 2012 - 03:31 PM.

[Boges]

Someone should be able to enjoy the show equally without reading the books. The show has made many, my wife included, start reading the books so now they know what's supposed to happen.

She still loves the show but doesn't always like the adaptation.

For example the scenes with Arya condense multiple Arya chapters into like 2 minutes of content. The skip over a lot of stuff but end up in the same place. I'd say that's a strength of the show.

Apparently Stannis and that witch never get busy in the book, but to make the show more visual they include a scene with them having sex. I say including that scene makes the connection between the characters stronger.

I've also been told they never actually say Renly is gay in the book. Not sure what including that feature ads to the story, but whatever.