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[betsy]

Of course, you would realize that this does not prove that the Bible is a science textbook, right? Nah.

Let me guide you to the right direction. You're wasting your bark.
That the excerpt was taken from an article that's titled it's "a textbook of science" - or whether I consider it a science textbook or not - is not the issue.

Read the posted fact title - the one with the giant bold font. Like this....

FACT: "THE BIBLE SPEAKS RATHER EXPLICITLY ABOUT BASIC PRINCIPLES IN EVERY AREA OF SCIENCE"

or this....

FACT: KEPLER’S 8 MINUTES


That's the premise!

[betsy]

#49

FACT: NOTABLE INVENTIONS AND DISCOVERIES FROM THE PAST 800 YEARS BY THOSE WORKING FROM THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW OF NATURE

Date Invention or Discovery Inventor or Discoverer Nationality
1250 Magnifying glass Roger Bacon English
1450 Printing press Johann Gutenberg German
1504 Pocket watch Peter Henlein German
1590 Compound microscope Zacharias Janssen Dutch
1593 Water thermometer Galileo Italian
1608 Telescope Hans Lippershey Dutch
1625 Blood transfusion Jean-Baptiste Denys French
1629 Steam turbine Giovanni Branca Italian
1642 Adding machine Blaise Pascal French
1643 Barometer Evangelista Torricelli Italian
1650 Air pump Otto von Guericke German
1656 Pendulum clock Christiaan Huygens Dutch
1661 Methanol. - Volume, pressure, temperature relation in gases. Robert Boyle Irish
1668 Reflecting telescope Isaac Newton English
1671 Calculating machine Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz German
1683 Bacteria Anton van Leeuwenhoek Dutch
1687 Motion, Laws of Isaac Newton English
1698 Steam pump Thomas Savery English
1701 Seed drill Jethro Tull English
1710 Piano Bartolomeo Cristofori Italian
1712 Steam engine Thomas Newcomen British
1714 Mercury thermometer Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit German
1717 Diving bell Edmund Halley English

More....

http://worldview3.50webs.com/inventions.html

Edited by betsy, 14 August 2011 - 12:33 PM.

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, you can't face up to the challenge. We know. No need to embarass yourself further.

"Atoms" are the building blocks...lol...the Universe is "deteriorating"...lol...(to name a few)

Shows general lack of understanding not only of basic quantum mechanics but also the much easier to digest 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Not to mention, if you believe in Creation, all the critters that ever existed were 'created' at the same time. Thus dinos and humans walked the planet together...at some point not described. Trilobites...how did they miss the Ark?

[betsy]

#50

FACT: NOBEL PRIZES AWARDED TO JEWS WORKING FROM THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW

The global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 ---only fourteen million--- or 0.02% of the world's population,
...and yet, working from the Biblical Worldview, they have earned the following Nobel Prizes:


......
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - P eter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton

More....

http://worldview3.50webs.com/nobelprizesjewish.html

Edited by betsy, 14 August 2011 - 12:41 PM.

[g_bambino]

Not to mention, if you believe in Creation, all the critters that ever existed were 'created' at the same time. Thus dinos and humans walked the planet together...at some point not described. Trilobites...how did they miss the Ark?

A literal belief in the Biblical story of creation, yes. But, trilobites are just another thing betsy will ignore, before giggling and accusing others of cherrypicking.

[CANADIEN]

[quote name='betsy' date='14 August 2011 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1313348181' post='699483']
Let's do a recap. For details, pages for the facts are provided for easy go-to.

1 FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity.[/quote]
Fact. Nothing about gravity in the Bible. Which is not a textbook.

[quote]2 FACT: The earth is round.[/quote]
Fact. Nothing about it in the Bible. Which is not a textbook.

[quote]
3 FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars.

4 FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea.

5 FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks [/quote]
And?

[quote]6 FACT: Noah’s Ark and Ship Building p. 1[/quote]
And where has it be found, again?

[quote]
7 FACT: “Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!”[/quote]
Correction. Many of them believed in God, and that He created the Universe. Not the same as subscribing to that fraud known as creationism or that non-sense that the Bible is a science textbook.

[quote]
8 FACT: A finished creation.

9 FACT: The universe is deteriorating

10 FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning [/quote]

[quote]
11 FACT:: Existence of ocean currents[/quote]
And 1 + 1 equals 2. Here, ladies and gentlemen, is the scientific proof of the existence of God.

[quote]12 FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED![/quote]
Nope. it is not. Fact: you remain baffling.

[quote]13 FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE

14 FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle[/quote]
And?

[quote]
15 FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE![/quote]
And some haven't. Always a matter of how a prophecy is interpreted.

[quote]
16 FACT:
EXPANDING UNIVERSE: SCIENCE GIVES AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION BY THE WORD "STRETCH! [/quote¸
But not the Bible.

[quote]
17 FACT: Expression - "CURVATURE OF SPACE," still related to STRETCHING UNIVERSE

18 FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health
WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS

19 FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health
[size="4 “]WASTE DISPOSAL[/size]

20 [size="4”]FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health [/size]
[size="4”]DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION[/size]

21 [size="4"]FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health [/size]
[size="4"]CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS[/size]

22 [size="4"]FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health [/size]
[size="4"]FOOD and DRINKING WATER SAFETY[/size]

23 [size="4"]FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health [/size]
[size="4"]PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE[/size][/quote]

24 [size="4"] FACT: The human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements which are all found in the earth[/size]

25 [size="4"] FACT: BLOOD – THE RIVER OF LIFE[/size][/quote]
And?

[quote]
26 [size="4"]FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, One land and one ocean! [/size] p. 12[/quote]
The link to the Bible being?

[quote]
27 FACT: Man is superior to all other living things. p.36
28 FACT: SCIENTISTS NAME and CLASSIFY CREATURES p. 37
[/quote]
And?

[quote]29 FACT: MODERN-DAY DEADLY VIRUS COULD BE PREVENTED FROM SPREADING BY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BIBLE p. 39[/quote]
mark my day. You got something right. Kind of... Someone could have come with the same disease-control methods by just observing and experimenting.

[quote]
30 FACT: NO ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERY HAS CONTRADICTED A BIBLICAL REFERENCE! p.43[/quote]
Which merely proves that the Bible, like many other eaqrly text, is based on interpreation of actual events.
[quote]
31 FACT: THE REGENERATING RIBS p.47

32 FACT: CIRCUMCISION IS BEST DONE ON THE 8th DAY! p. 47[/quote]
And?

[quote]33 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY UNEARTHED THE EBLA TABLETS p. 48


34 FACT: ARCHEOLOGICAL FIND AT KHIRBAT EN-NAHAS IN LINE WITH
BIBLICAL NARRATIVE OF DAVID AND SOLOMON p. 50

35 FACT: ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERY IN TEL DAN PROVIDES A CONNECTION TO THE RULING DYNASTY OF KING DAVID p. 55
[/quote]And?

[quote]
36 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY DISCOVERED THE NUZI TABLETS SHOWING THAT THE CULTURAL PRACTICES WRITTEN IN GENESIS ARE AUTHENTIC p. 57[/quote]
Fact. As YOUR example demonstrate, these practices pre-dated Abraham.

[quote]37 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY DISCOVERED THE MARI TABLETS p. 57[/quote]
And?

[quote]38 FACT: THREE SEPARATE BIBLICAL FACTS CONFIRMED BY NEBO-SARSEKIM CUNEIFORM TABLET p. 57[/quote]Both texts confirm each others. And?

[quote]
39 FACT: ARCHEOLOGY FOUND LACHISH p. 58

40. FACT: THE LACHISH LETTERS INLINE WITH THE BIBLICAL NARRATIVE OF THE PROPHET JEREMIAH p. 58

41. FACT: Archeological findings in TELL EN-NASBEH in-line with the Biblical narratives p.58

42. FACT: Archeological finding at TAHPANHES in-line with Biblical narrative of Jeremiah
p. 58[/quote]

[quote]
43. FACT: Archeology discovered SODOM AND GOMORRAH p.59[/quote]
Really?

[quote]
44. FACT: ARCHEOLOGY SHOWS EVIDENCE THAT THE BIBLE PROVIDES AN ACCURATE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF EVENTS THAT OCCURRED SOUTHEAST OF THE DEAD SEA OVER 4,000 YEARS AGO. p 61[/quote]
Archaelogical findings prove that things ocured exactly as the Bible described them? They prove that the local inhabitants attempted to rape Abraham's guests? That Lot fled? How?

[quote]
45. FACT: MODERN WESTERN SCIENCE WAS FOUNDED UPON JUDEO-CHRISTIAN PRESUPPOSITIONAL FOUNDATIONS FROM THE BIBLE p 62

46. FACT: "THE BIBLE SPEAKS RATHER EXPLICITLY ABOUT BASIC PRINCIPLES IN EVERY AREA OF SCIENCE" p 63

47. FACT: KEPLER’S 8 MINUTES p. 63[/quote]
Been there. Debunked the premise.

Feel free to believe that the Bible is a science textbook. Thankfully, most Christians use their God-given ability to view the Bible as it is.

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47 facts posted.....and counting.
[/quote]

[betsy]

Fact. Nothing about gravity in the Bible. Which is not a textbook.


Fact. Nothing about it in the Bible. Which is not a textbook.


And?


And where has it be found, again?


Correction. Many of them believed in God, and that He created the Universe. Not the same as subscribing to that fraud known as creationism or that non-sense that the Bible is a science textbook.




And 1 + 1 equals 2. Here, ladies and gentlemen, is the scientific proof of the existence of God.


Nope. it is not. Fact: you remain baffling.


And?


And some haven't. Always a matter of how a prophecy is interpreted.


And?


The link to the Bible being?


And?


mark my day. You got something right. Kind of... Someone could have come with the same disease-control methods by just observing and experimenting.


Which merely proves that the Bible, like many other eaqrly text, is based on interpreation of actual events.

And?

And?


Fact. As YOUR example demonstrate, these practices pre-dated Abraham.


And?

Both texts confirm each others. And?




Really?


Archaelogical findings prove that things ocured exactly as the Bible described them? They prove that the local inhabitants attempted to rape Abraham's guests? That Lot fled? How?


Been there. Debunked the premise.

Feel free to believe that the Bible is a science textbook. Thankfully, most Christians use their God-given ability to view the Bible as it is.

---------------

47 facts posted.....and counting.

Talk about convoluted and irrational.
You must be the New Atheist counterpart of the Waco, Texas cult leader!

Edited by betsy, 14 August 2011 - 12:58 PM.

[CANADIEN]

Talk about convoluted and irrational.

Yep, I was talking about your posting. Apt description of them.

You must be the New Atheist counterpart of the Waco, Texas cult leader!

And how often does it need to be pointed out to you that I am Christian? Guess that FACT has to be written in the Bible for you to get it.

[betsy]

Yep, I was talking about your posting. Apt description of them.

No, no, no, there's no mistaking it....you are truly confused.

And how often does it need to be pointed out to you that I am Christian?

See? Why do you say you are a Christian?

Canadien:

Not the same as subscribing to that fraud known as creationism

You call creationism - Christian Creationism - as a fraud!

Canadien

Guess that FACT has to be written in the Bible for you to get it.

You don't even know...that you're anything BUT a Christian. You only think you are. And I don't know why you'd even want to imagine yourself a Christian.

At least that's how you strongly come across.

Explain your position. What do you believe?

Edited by betsy, 14 August 2011 - 01:38 PM.

[cybercoma]

Now she's insulting other Christians. How arrogant.

[CANADIEN]

No, no, no, there's no mistaking it....you are truly confused.

On the contrary. I am not confused about your complete ignorance.

See? Why do you say you are a Christian?

Because I am.

You call creationism - Christian Creationism - as a fraud!

Let me clarify. /Creationist" "science", as the attempt by ignorants and charlatans to confuse faith and science and rejct scientific knowledge (such as evolution), is a fraud.

You don't even know...that you're anything BUT a Christian. You only think you are.

I'll let God be the judge on how good of a Christian I am. Not you.

And I don't know why you'd even want to imagine yourself a Christian.

No surprise there. You barely know anything at all.

Explain your position. What do you believe?

You ask for it. Don't blame me when it makes you look (once again) like a fool.

Let's start with..

What is said in the Apostle's Creed.
That God is My Saviour
Matthew 5, 1-12, Matthew 25, 31-46 (mong other texts)
That the Bible is the Word of God


Now a bit about what I do not believe in:

that the Bible is meant to be taken literally
That the Bible is to be taken aand used as a science textbook
That the theory of evolution is anything but sound scientific knowledge
And... that you are anything but joke.

If you feel the need to embarass yourself further in response, do it quick. 50 minutes or so before I leave for... church.

[CANADIEN]

Let me guide you to the right direction.

That would be a first.

That the excerpt was taken from an article that's titled it's "a textbook of science" - or whether I consider it a science textbook or not - is not the issue.

On the contrary, it is. The whole piece is part of an attempt at positioning the Bible as some sort of science textbook.

Read the posted fact title

Where? There's no fact in there.

- the one with the giant bold font. Like this....

News to you. You may need bold and extra large font to convince yourself of the non-sense you write and copy. Knowledgeable people don't. Actually, it makes you look even more silly. Like in...

FACT: "THE BIBLE SPEAKS RATHER EXPLICITLY ABOUT BASIC PRINCIPLES IN EVERY AREA OF SCIENCE"

The premise of that portion of the text (which you're trying - in vain - to dissociate of the whole itent of the author) will not become factual no matter how big you write it.

Edited by CANADIEN, 14 August 2011 - 02:26 PM.

[CANADIEN]

#49

FACT: NOTABLE INVENTIONS AND DISCOVERIES FROM THE PAST 800 YEARS BY THOSE WORKING FROM THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW OF NATURE





http://worldview3.50webs.com/inventions.html

Please, please, try to save what ever spec of credibility ypou may still have and admit you didn't think that one through.

To take one example, no need to work from any religion-based worldview to come with the typewiter.

Or the birth-control pill.

Edited by CANADIEN, 14 August 2011 - 02:25 PM.

[cybercoma]

I doubt she would ever tell us, but I'm truly curious how old betsy is and at what age she dropped out of school.

[g_bambino]

I doubt she would ever tell us, but I'm truly curious how old betsy is and at what age she dropped out of school.

I'd imagine she was home schooled. Aren't most like her that way? Keeps that Devil's work - evolution - out of their impressionable little heads.
[+]

Edited by g_bambino, 14 August 2011 - 05:48 PM.