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[Shady]

Why this underlines my point--already forgotten from the beginning of the thread--is that one of Maher's original points was that many people are celebrating bin Laden's death from a perspective of vengeance; which, if one is a Christian, is distinctly going against the message of their Messiah.

Well, if one is able to mind read, and know exactly why somebody is celebrating something, then yes, they would be sinners.

Anyways, the Church also recognizes the concept of a just war. So once again we're back to contradictions. It's nothing new. Other than to Maher and Hardner.

[Michael Hardner]

One doesn't cease being Christian because of committing a sin. You seriously don't know that? Like I've already said, that's what confession is for. If somebody celebrated Obama's death, that's between them and their priest. They'll ask for forgiveness.

Once again, apparently that concept is new to Maher and Hardner.

I don't think repudiating Christianity is a sin, per se. It's a defacto rejection of Christianity.

What else is a Christian, other than somebody who follows the words of Christ ? You tell me.

[Shady]

I don't think repudiating Christianity is a sin, per se. It's a defacto rejection of Christianity.

What else is a Christian, other than somebody who follows the words of Christ ? You tell me.

Nope. I Christian is someone that accepts Jesus as the son of God, and their personal savior. However, a Christian is also not perfect, and committing sin is a part of Christianity. There hasn't ever been a Christian that hasn't sinned in some way or another. I'm afraid what you believe a Christian is suppose to be is a stereotype born of ignorance.

[bloodyminded]

Nope. I Christian is someone that accepts Jesus as the son of God, and their personal savior. However, a Christian is also not perfect, and committing sin is a part of Christianity. There hasn't ever been a Christian that hasn't sinned in some way or another. I'm afraid what you believe a Christian is suppose to be is a stereotype born of ignorance.

You and Michael can correct me if I'm wrong, but I had thought he was a Christian, and you were not?

[Shady]

You and Michael can correct me if I'm wrong, but I had thought he was a Christian, and you were not?

I'm agnostic. But I was raised Catholic.

[Michael Hardner]

Nope. I Christian is someone that accepts Jesus as the son of God, and their personal savior. However, a Christian is also not perfect, and committing sin is a part of Christianity. There hasn't ever been a Christian that hasn't sinned in some way or another. I'm afraid what you believe a Christian is suppose to be is a stereotype born of ignorance.

I'm afraid that your definition is lacking. Someone has to follow the philosophy and words of Jesus himself to be a Christian. Yes, they can sin, but they must follow him.

To me, that is the definition of a Christian - one who follows Jesus.

[Michael Hardner]

You and Michael can correct me if I'm wrong, but I had thought he was a Christian, and you were not?

I do consider myself a Christian, though others may disagree.

[bloodyminded]

I do consider myself a Christian, though others may disagree.

I asked only because I'm trying to get my head around how you implicitly "have no right to criticize Christians"; and also how an agnostic declares that a Christian is stereotyping Christians.

Theoretically not impossible, I understand, but I believe the argument was made mistakenly, on the assumption that you aren't a Christian...and otherwise it wouldn't have been made it all.

[Michael Hardner]

I asked only because I'm trying to get my head around how you implicitly "have no right to criticize Christians"; and also how an agnostic declares that a Christian is stereotyping Christians.

Theoretically not impossible, I understand, but I believe the argument was made mistakenly, on the assumption that you aren't a Christian...and otherwise it wouldn't have been made it all.

Even trickier if dealing with an Agnostic Christian...

[Shady]

I'm afraid that your definition is lacking. Someone has to follow the philosophy and words of Jesus himself to be a Christian. Yes, they can sin, but they must follow him.

To me, that is the definition of a Christian - one who follows Jesus.

And how does the church's recognition of a just war fit into your definition?

[Jack Weber]

Mark this day down folks....

I'm in rare agreement with The Professor...

Yes,we are taught to turn the other cheek,however,we are also taught to be vigilent (sp) in the face of obvious evil,fight the good fight,and if necessary,fight a just war.

By the definition of the critcs here,we all should have turned the other cheek and been pacifists when NAZI Germany invaded Poland in September of 1939...Which is,to coin The Professor,complete nonesense!

I suppose I should be eternally saddened that Adolph Hitler put some lead in his head?

I should feel remorse for a bloodthirsty killer,like Osama Bin Laden,that he met his ultimate fate?

Well,I don't!

Just as I won't have any remorse for the ultimate architect of this earthly evil when he's thrown into The Pit...

Now I have to go punish myself for agreeing with The Professor...

Edited by Jack Weber, 19 May 2011 - 01:11 PM.

[Shady]

I asked only because I'm trying to get my head around how you implicitly "have no right to criticize Christians";

Who said anything about no right to criticize Christians? Anyways, I'm still trying to figure out which Christians were celebrating, and how anyone knows that they're Christians. Can you tell by the way they look? LOL.

[bloodyminded]

Who said anything about no right to criticize Christians?

TimG.

Only Christians should criticize Christians, for...some reason.

Enter Michael Hardner.

Dilemma solved.

Anyways, I'm still trying to figure out which Christians were celebrating,

You didn't see the celebrations on the news? Oh, wait, that's leftist propaganda.

and how anyone knows that they're Christians. Can you tell by the way they look? LOL.

The sheer numbers of self-professed Christians lets us know that the majority were undoubtedly Christian.

Edited by bloodyminded, 19 May 2011 - 01:14 PM.

[bloodyminded]

Mark this day down folks....

I'm in rare agreement with The Professor...

Yes,we are taught to turn the other cheek,however,we are also taught to be vigilent (sp) in the face of obvious evil,fight the good fight,and if necessary,fight a just war.

But He did not support vengeance...that's the primary topic here. (Maher may well have been theologically mistaken on several other points.)

[Jack Weber]

TimG.

Only Christians should criticize Christians, for...some reason.

Enter Michael Hardner.

Dilemma solved.




You didn't see the celebrations on the news? Oh, wait, that's leftist propaganda.





The sheer numbers of self-professed Christians lets us know that the majority were undoubtedly Christian.

To be fair:

1.The "celebrations" seems more like an opportunity for yankee doodle flag waving...

2.I do remember alot of celebrating in the Muslim world when the Twin Towers came down...