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#16 TimG

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 01:54 PM

The only reason why Ehrlich wasn't right, is because Green Revolution hybrid plants were just being introduced into Mexico, India and Indonesia during that time.

In other words - he was WRONG. And just like Camping, Ehrlich went back to his books and predicted that apocalypse was only delayed. He will be proven wrong again because the human race has a capacity to adapt that far outstrips the imaginations of cultists like you and Ehrlich.

If there is one thing that unites the doom mongers no matter what the details of their beliefs it is how they hate the idea that they could be living in a time which will be completely forgotten in 100 years. The doom mongers hope for disaster because it makes them feel they are living in a unique era.

Fortunately, most people don't have the character deficit that turns them into doomsday cultists but they have a unhealthy fascination with them. That is why people like Camping and Ehrlich still get so much media coverage despite having such a poor track records.

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 04:35 PM

Tree hugging eco-tards have been predicting the end of the world for years. Is Camping a tree hugger?

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 06:21 PM

A fully paid up member of the Cult of Malthus I see.

Along with being a hug-a-rapist as you'd have us all believe.

What is it with your capacity for leaping to such knee-jerk assumptions in the face of a little doubt about the things you leap for?

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 06:28 PM

Along with being a hug-a-rapist as you'd have us all believe.

If you don't like the description you could try to explain why your desired policies actually do impose a level of punishment on criminals that reflects society's revulsion towards the crime committed. So far all you have said is that punishment has no place in the justice system. For that reason, 'hug a rapist' is a fair description of your position.

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 08:19 PM

If you don't like the description you could try to explain why your desired policies actually do impose a level of punishment on criminals that reflects society's revulsion towards the crime committed.

Polices, of mine...where?

So far all you have said is that punishment has no place in the justice system. For that reason, 'hug a rapist' is a fair description of your position.


What I said is that vengeance has no place our justice system. If that makes me a hug-a-rapist it probably makes Jesus one too, and you're right I ain't no Christian. Neither was Jesus come to think of it.

As for the Cult of Malthus and my status as a paid-up member, you pulled that out your arse too didn't you?

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Posted 23 May 2011 - 09:18 PM

I find it ironic that so many on the left like to (rightly) redicule Christian doomsayers but are completely blind to the equivalent nutcases in the environmental movement.

More of those "nut cases" are in fact fraudulent profiteers, such as Al Gore. His own liftestyle belies his own statements about climate rapture.
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Posted 23 May 2011 - 10:16 PM

What I said is that vengeance has no place our justice system. If that makes me a hug-a-rapist it probably makes Jesus one too

I won't speculate on what Jesus would or would not do. But it is good to see that that you acknowledge that you simply don't give a damn about justice.

As for the Cult of Malthus and my status as a paid-up member, you pulled that out your arse too didn't you?

No. It is an accurate description for someone who blindly adhers to the notion that the human was is headed for a crash because "something has got give". You have no evidence to support your claims. It is nothing but a religious belief for you.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:13 AM

WIP,



Now, more than ever we need to be highly suspicious of disaster mongering by the MSM. They're not dishonest about it, however they can highlight the worst situations and be rewarded for it with ratings.

(By 'we' I mean the good posters here at MLW, including me.)

Michael! Take your patronizing moderate bullshit act and your unreferenced "science" source that only deals with tropical storms and shove em where the sun don't shine! It's a simple rule of thumb -- every one degree increase in global temperature adds a 7% increase to moisture carried in the atmosphere. More energy + more water vapour = more severe storms; it's as simple as that.

Most shocking, states a new Met Office report, is global warming will start to “emerge as a force that everyone on planet Earth will have to reckon with, with the storms in America as a clear indicator that global weather patterns are out of control and extremely dangerous.”

Research by the famed United Kingdom Weather Service, that’s nicknamed “The Met Office,” predicts much of North America and Europe will remain cold and snowy into the New Year.

In turn, the GWPF has dire warnings for all people with its forecasts for 2011.

“There will be parts of the world where life as we know it will be impacted to the point where it no longer will be safe to live. Weather patterns have changed to the point where no human can be fully safe from the results of global warming that, unfortunately, will only get worse,” states the GWPF report following recent winter storm bashing of Europe and the U.S.

http://www.huliq.com/10282/weather-outside-frightful-worldwide-getting-worse-new-year

Given that atmospheric water-holding capacity is expected to increase roughly exponentially with temperature—and that atmospheric water content is increasing in accord with this theoretical expectation6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11—it has been suggested that human-influenced global warming may be partly responsible for increases in heavy precipitation3, 5, 7. Because of the limited availability of daily observations, however, most previous studies have examined only the potential detectability of changes in extreme precipitation through model–model comparisons12, 13, 14, 15. Here we show that human-induced increases in greenhouse gases have contributed to the observed intensification of heavy precipitation events found over approximately two-thirds of data-covered parts of Northern Hemisphere land areas. These results are based on a comparison of observed and multi-model simulated changes in extreme precipitation over the latter half of the twentieth century analysed with an optimal fingerprinting technique. Changes in extreme precipitation projected by models, and thus the impacts of future changes in extreme precipitation, may be underestimated because models seem to underestimate the observed increase in heavy precipitation with warming16.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v470/n7334/full/nature09763.html

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 04:52 AM

Michael! Take your patronizing moderate bullshit act and your unreferenced "science" source that only deals with tropical storms and shove em where the sun don't shine! It's a simple rule of thumb -- every one degree increase in global temperature adds a 7% increase to moisture carried in the atmosphere. More energy + more water vapour = more severe storms; it's as simple as that.

Most shocking, states a new Met Office report, is global warming will start to “emerge as a force that everyone on planet Earth will have to reckon with, with the storms in America as a clear indicator that global weather patterns are out of control and extremely dangerous.”

Research by the famed United Kingdom Weather Service, that’s nicknamed “The Met Office,” predicts much of North America and Europe will remain cold and snowy into the New Year.

In turn, the GWPF has dire warnings for all people with its forecasts for 2011.

“There will be parts of the world where life as we know it will be impacted to the point where it no longer will be safe to live. Weather patterns have changed to the point where no human can be fully safe from the results of global warming that, unfortunately, will only get worse,” states the GWPF report following recent winter storm bashing of Europe and the U.S.

http://www.huliq.com/10282/weather-outside-frightful-worldwide-getting-worse-new-year

Given that atmospheric water-holding capacity is expected to increase roughly exponentially with temperature—and that atmospheric water content is increasing in accord with this theoretical expectation6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11—it has been suggested that human-influenced global warming may be partly responsible for increases in heavy precipitation3, 5, 7. Because of the limited availability of daily observations, however, most previous studies have examined only the potential detectability of changes in extreme precipitation through model–model comparisons12, 13, 14, 15. Here we show that human-induced increases in greenhouse gases have contributed to the observed intensification of heavy precipitation events found over approximately two-thirds of data-covered parts of Northern Hemisphere land areas. These results are based on a comparison of observed and multi-model simulated changes in extreme precipitation over the latter half of the twentieth century analysed with an optimal fingerprinting technique. Changes in extreme precipitation projected by models, and thus the impacts of future changes in extreme precipitation, may be underestimated because models seem to underestimate the observed increase in heavy precipitation with warming16.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v470/n7334/full/nature09763.html



OOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'm scared. :ph34r:

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 05:06 AM

Michael! Take your patronizing moderate bullshit act and your unreferenced "science" source that only deals with tropical storms and shove em where the sun don't shine! It's a simple rule of thumb -- every one degree increase in global temperature adds a 7% increase to moisture carried in the atmosphere. More energy + more water vapour = more severe storms; it's as simple as that.


Sorry, WIP - I forgot to add my link.
Nature.com

Consider it sourced.

I don't think my position is an 'act'. The MSM overstates things constantly, and it's our job to talk about what is real. I'm not sure why that upsets you so - certainly you wouldn't allow your opponents to cite anti-warming MSM hyperbole.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 07:35 AM

I won't speculate on what Jesus would or would not do. But it is good to see that that you acknowledge that you simply don't give a damn about justice.

Suggesting that vengeance has no place in our justice system is clear evidence to the contrary. I care more deeply about justice than you're capable of comprehending.

No. It is an accurate description for someone who blindly adhers to the notion that the human was is headed for a crash because "something has got give". You have no evidence to support your claims. It is nothing but a religious belief for you.

Well, notwithstanding the fact I never made any particular claims - I simply questioned the wisdom of your's - I do have good reason to continue doing so...

Are you aware of the state of our planet's commercial fisheries? There's a lot of injustice in what human's have done to the world's oceans, there's even a bit of vengeance going on too.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 12:46 PM

I won't speculate on what Jesus would or would not do. But it is good to see that that you acknowledge that you simply don't give a damn about justice.


Eyeball said he doesn't believe that vengeance has any place in our justice system.


This distinctly implies--by definition, mind you--that he believes in a concept of justice, and cares about it.

You evidently demand that anyone not in 100% agreement with you on a matter such as "justice" must not "give a damn about it" at all.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 07:33 PM

Eyeball said he doesn't believe that vengeance has any place in our justice system.

He defines 'vengence' to be any punishment he does not agree with. It is a self serving definition that serves no purpose.

You evidently demand that anyone not in 100% agreement with you on a matter such as "justice" must not "give a damn about it" at all.

Eyeball acuses me of being out for vengence because I want to see punishments that fit the crime. I accuse him of not giving a damn about justice because he refuses to accept punishment as a key aspect of the justice system. I fail to see why you would single me out for criticism. We are both playing rhetorical games with words.

Edited by TimG, 24 May 2011 - 07:34 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2011 - 08:16 PM

He defines 'vengence' to be any punishment he does not agree with. It is a self serving definition that serves no purpose.

Eyeball acuses me of being out for vengence because I want to see punishments that fit the crime. I accuse him of not giving a damn about justice because he refuses to accept punishment as a key aspect of the justice system. I fail to see why you would single me out for criticism. We are both playing rhetorical games with words.


I think there is a difference here. Seeking vengence to me says that one would welcome and get some kind of sick enjoyment out of seeing the offender get his due reward. Vengence can work outside the justice system with even worse results. Where as a person seeking justice has to work in the confines of the system to see the offender get his due reward.
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Posted 24 May 2011 - 11:39 PM

He defines 'vengence' to be any punishment he does not agree with. It is a self serving definition that serves no purpose.

No I clearly defined state sponsored vengeance as being justice that is weighted with hatred and resentment. I never said anything about punishment.

Eyeball acuses me of being out for vengence because I want to see punishments that fit the crime. I accuse him of not giving a damn about justice because he refuses to accept punishment as a key aspect of the justice system. I fail to see why you would single me out for criticism. We are both playing rhetorical games with words.

Actually I accused you of wanting to see our justice system being converted into a vengeance system.



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