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[bloodyminded]

It is...at least the crap around here. It could have been better in 1969...but, time travel eludes me still.

Only so far. I have faith you'll get there.

(Damn...now Betsy's gonna be all over me for using "faith.")

[DogOnPorch]

Only so far. I have faith you'll get there.

(Damn...now Betsy's gonna be all over me for using "faith.")

Oh, I get to relive the 60s on a regular basis...these days you even get a couple of choices.


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[DogOnPorch]

A few similarities between Breivik and Manson do exist.

-Both hoped to start a 'revolution' via their acts.
-Both have influences that the public seek or sought to demonize...rationally or irrationally. The Beatles and such for Manson...Geert Wilders and the like for Breivik.

[August1991]

Kimmy says: "Innocent" and "not guilty by reason of insanity" don't mean the same thing.

I agree.

To you or me, somebody who would kill 90 teenagers because he hopes to spark some kind of revolution is crazy.

And if the person organized the death of 3000 anonymous people?

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IMV, anyone who deliberately kills random people is crazy, a psychopath. Are Mohammed Atta, Charles Manson, Anders Breivik different?

Edited by August1991, 28 July 2011 - 02:20 PM.

[Jack Weber]

A few similarities between Breivik and Manson do exist.

-Both hoped to start a 'revolution' via their acts.
-Both have influences that the public seek or sought to demonize...rationally or irrationally. The Beatles and such for Manson...Geert Wilders and the like for Breivik.

There's another similarity and it's probably the most important one...




Neither one of them has ever been in my kitchen!!!

[eyeball]

Kimmy says: "Innocent" and "not guilty by reason of insanity" don't mean the same thing.

I agree.

And if the person organized the death of 3000 anonymous people?

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IMV, anyone who deliberately kills random people is crazy, a psychopath. Are Mohammed Atta, Charles Manson, Anders Breivik different?

By these standard no, these people are no more different than George Bush, Steven Harper or Barack Obama.

[Sir Bandelot]

By these standard no, these people are no more different than George Bush, Steven Harper or Barack Obama.

Cha-chinnnggg

[August1991]

By tno hese standard no, these people are no more different than George Bush, Steven Harper or Barack Obama.

You have raised moral relativism to its ultimate conclusion. By your logic, Winston Churchill is no different from Hitler since Churchill approved the bombing of Dresden.

By your logic, if the RCMP kill an innocent person it's the same as if teh Hell's Angels kill someone. The Hell's Angels and the RCMP are the same thing. They both kill innocent people.

Such is modern Western thinking, Leftist version.

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Eyeball (and others) my OP posed another question, truly troubling for the Mark Steyns of this world: Is Mohammed Atta any different from Charles Manson?

Psychopaths exist. Is psychopathy religious or cultural? Psychopathy seems random. No culture, religion, country seems to have a propensity to produce more psychopaths than any other. If genetic, a "psychopathy gene" predates a "religion gene".

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So, I return to the OP: Mohammed Atta & Charles Manson, is there a difference?

I'm surprised that the question was not asked before. After the tragic events in Norway, I suspect that this question, in different ways using different examples, will be posed in the future.

Edited by August1991, 29 July 2011 - 02:12 PM.

[bloodyminded]

You have raised moral relativism to its ultimate conclusion. By your logic, Winston Churchill is no different from Hitler since Churchill approved the bombing of Dresden.

Or how about this from ol' Winston:

I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.

It maybe doesn't quite rise to the level of psychopathy, since he magnanimoulsy considers the possibility that the unimportant Savages won't be killed, merely terrorized by the Imperial behemoth. But it's grotesque enough, and as is open admission of terrorism.

Edited by bloodyminded, 29 July 2011 - 02:14 PM.

[August1991]

Or how about this from ol' Winston:
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It maybe doesn't quite rise to the level of psychopathy, since he magnanimoulsy considers the possibility that the unimportant Savages won't be killed, merely terrorized by the Imperial behemoth. But it's grotesque enough, and as is open admission of terrorism.

BM, you are so obtuse that, to defend your own viewpoint, you favour Hitler in opposition to Churchill.

Sad.

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Anyway, that's not my point at all in this thread.

My point is that terrorists are psychopaths - eg. IRA, Ulstermen or radical Muslims - and psychopathy is likely genetic, spread among all of us. But I dunno.

Edited by August1991, 29 July 2011 - 02:49 PM.

[bloodyminded]

BM, you are so obtuse that, to defend your own viewpoint, you favour Hitler in opposition to Churchill.

Sad.

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[Oleg Bach]

Folger's? Yeah, what's the point?

Was it a dark roast finely ground? A pound of coffee for Charely...hummm - he should be restricted to real bad instant coffee...and no sugar! Manson...was born in prison - his whole world was and is a prison...and he likes it that way...remember he was not some flower child - just a white trash creep and a shifty hooligan...funny how he who did not do any of the actual killings is still locked up while the knife weilding butchers who did the dirty deeds are free and in comfortable retirement.

[Sir Bandelot]

You have raised moral relativism to its ultimate conclusion. By your logic, Winston Churchill is no different from Hitler since Churchill approved the bombing of Dresden.

By your logic, if the RCMP kill an innocent person it's the same as if teh Hell's Angels kill someone. The Hell's Angels and the RCMP are the same thing. They both kill innocent people.

You would compare the intentional bombing of Dresden with an accidental shooting by the RCMP?
What the heck are you thinking?

[DogOnPorch]

You would compare the intentional bombing of Dresden with an accidental shooting by the RCMP?
What the heck are you thinking?

It's called an analogy.

[Jack Weber]

It's called an analogy.

Can't really say it's a good one...