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[Boges]

Wow Oleg that was two posts of anecdotal and mostly false information. Not all Churches are run down. Maybe in the limp wristed United and Anglican sects. But I know of many fine Christian churches that are thriving.

And new Muslims to Canada certainly aren't all low income. Go to the Erindale/Streetsville region of Mississauga.

This doesn't worry me but I'm sure groups would oppose a group of Christians doing the same thing.

Also apparently the Imam who is doing these teaching has links to extremist groups.

What would be worrisome about what this school is doing is how they treat the girls involved, making them sit in the back and such. I'm sure any group other than Muslims wouldn't get away with that kind of discrimination.

[jacee]

The question and only question in my mind is would a similar allowance be made for christians, jews, mormans, scientologists, jevoha's eye witnesses.....

I rather doubt it

If there is a demand from parents, it will have to be accommodated. However, it is not a school function: Schools can teach about world religions but they cannot indoctrinate students in a particular religion nor demand prayer. Parents can demand time/space for compulsory religious observance that is supervised by them or someone they choose. And you can bet school officials across Ontario are fully aware that they will now face such demands.

Edited by jacee, 27 July 2011 - 09:27 AM.

[Michael Hardner]

The question and only question in my mind is would a similar allowance be made for christians, jews, mormans, scientologists, jevoha's eye witnesses.....

I rather doubt it

I think that they would, except that the accommodations for other types of prayer are a lot easier, I think.

[Machjo]

Our churches are run down and in disrepair. Islam has the finest buildings ..that are thriving...My son - who briefly attended a school for the first time in an urban setting - was told by a Muslim kid - preparing for prayer during school - on school property in the washroom - ritually bathing his feet said to my blonde haired boy - "My feet are cleaner than your face" - this aggresive and insulting attitude is pervasive in toronto - at least when my kid attended his original school in the country north of the city - they had a Christmas celebration - there were bag pipes - there was OUR tradtion (adoped by assimulated immigrants) such as myself....so - we get pushed out and they take over - Because they view us as infidels and weaklings..we are a push over... I say - If we can not have Jesus or Moses in the school - then certainly we should NOT have Mohamid there either.

Oh come on. One kid acts in an insulting fashion, and suddenly you decide he represents Islam?

Also, if local mosques are well-kept and local churches are run-down, whose fault is that?

And as for immigrants assimilating, most of us assimilated to a transplanted European culture.

[Machjo]

The question and only question in my mind is would a similar allowance be made for christians, jews, mormans, scientologists, jevoha's eye witnesses.....

I rather doubt it

Of course it should be done for all religions equally. In the case of Christians however, we have a constitutional provision ensuring that the monarch be a member of a Christian Chursh, and that Christian communities at least in some provinces are guaranteed their own separate school system. Muslims don't have that.

[Michael Hardner]

In the case of Christians however, we have a constitutional provision ensuring that the monarch be a member of a Christian Chursh,

But not THE Christian Chush [sic - too much communion wine today father ?].

Catholics can't sit on the throne. And now you have had your ironic desert.

[Machjo]

But not THE Christian Chush [sic - too much communion wine today father ?].

Catholics can't sit on the throne. And now you have had your ironic desert.

Thanks for the correction. Odd though that the same constitution that guarantees Catholics a special privilege in education rights, it bans the same Catholics from marrying the reigning monarch.

[M.Dancer]

In the case of Christians however, we have a constitutional provision ensuring that the monarch be a member of a Christian Chursh, and that Christian communities at least in some provinces are guaranteed their own separate school system. Muslims don't have that.

So what? If muslims want to forma parochial school on their own, their is nothing stopping them. Keeping in mind that at one time, it was the taxes of catholics that funded the catholic schools...

[Machjo]

So what? If muslims want to forma parochial school on their own, their is nothing stopping them. Keeping in mind that at one time, it was the taxes of catholics that funded the catholic schools...

The big "so-what" is that a Catholic can send his kids to a public Catholic school covered on his taxes, whereas with any other religion, he must pay out of pocket and forfeit the taxes he pays into the public system.

[M.Dancer]

The big "so-what" is that a Catholic can send his kids to a public Catholic school covered on his taxes, whereas with any other religion, he must pay out of pocket and forfeit the taxes he pays into the public system.

Well I certainly agree that if someone send their child to a private school, they should be able to receive a generous tax break.

[Boges]

Well I certainly agree that if someone send their child to a private school, they should be able to receive a generous tax break.

Well I suppose you should run for premiere of the province then.

Yours,

John Tory

Edited by Boges, 27 July 2011 - 12:14 PM.

[Machjo]

Well I certainly agree that if someone send their child to a private school, they should be able to receive a generous tax break.

The problem with that is that it still treats Catholic schools differently. Now if we were talking about cutting all public funding for Catholic schools and extend the same tax break to Catholics. It's the principle of equality here. The Green party's solution of simply one system is not one I'm particularly fond of, but I'll say at least it does treat all religions equally. The Swedish voucher system would also treat them all equally.

The point is, what applies to one ought to apply to all.

[Jack Weber]

Well I certainly agree that if someone send their child to a private school, they should be able to receive a generous tax break.

Uh...right...

If someone choses to opt out of the public school system they should get a tax break for doing so???

Good luck with that...

[kimmy]

Ghettoes may have more than one force at play. In order for an ethnic ghetto to be born, not only do people from that ethnicity have to move there, but oft times people from other ethnicities have to move away, and refrain from moving there in the first place. Ethnic ghettoes, except in the instance of new construction, are not created by one ethnicity.

Which is a real dilemna, isn't it. Because I wouldn't move into a neighborhood like that, and if I was living in one, I'd move out at first opportunity.

-k

[cybercoma]

I find it funny that Jews will fight to preserve the right to practice their religious laws through organizations like the Jewish Family & Child Services. This agency is allowed to make decisions, as long as they don't break any laws in Canada. Now, I don't like many of the more sexist and oppressive elements of Sharia Law, but I fail to see why we would allow one form of religious arbitration and not another, contingent on that arbitration agreeing with Canadian Charter of Rights and Criminal Code.