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[pinko]

Child sex trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs set to continue (VIDEO)





Polygamist church leader Warren Jeffs — accused of raping a 12-year-old girl and impregnating 15-year-old he'd taken as "spiritual wives" — is to continue his own defense after using his opening statements Wednesday to quote scripture at length, without once mentioning the charges against him.

Polygamist church leader Warren Jeffs — accused of raping a 12-year-old girl and impregnating 15-year-old he'd taken as "spiritual wives" — is to continue his own defense after using his opening statements Wednesday to quote scripture at length, without once mentioning the charges against him.

On Wednesday, Texas prosecutors rested their case after playing an audio tape in which they allege the 55-year-old leader the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has sex with a 12-year-old girl in the presence of three other "wives," telling her to feel "the spirit of God."

http://www.globalpos...hrist-god-video

[Oleg Bach]

Child sex trial of polygamist Warren Jeffs set to continue (VIDEO)





Polygamist church leader Warren Jeffs — accused of raping a 12-year-old girl and impregnating 15-year-old he'd taken as "spiritual wives" — is to continue his own defense after using his opening statements Wednesday to quote scripture at length, without once mentioning the charges against him.

Polygamist church leader Warren Jeffs — accused of raping a 12-year-old girl and impregnating 15-year-old he'd taken as "spiritual wives" — is to continue his own defense after using his opening statements Wednesday to quote scripture at length, without once mentioning the charges against him.

On Wednesday, Texas prosecutors rested their case after playing an audio tape in which they allege the 55-year-old leader the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has sex with a 12-year-old girl in the presence of three other "wives," telling her to feel "the spirit of God."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/110804/warren-jeffs-polygamy-child-sex-fundamentalist-church-jesus-christ-god-video

It was war famine and revolution - my father was a 33 year old army captain - my mother was a 15 year old farm girl...it all workded out...There is a difference between a 16 year old and a 12 year old...one is begining the early start of womanhood - the other is a mere child. Marriage should if it is to be early - must be up to modern standards - at least the aqe of legal concent for both sexes.

The union of my mother and father was a neccesity of survival at the time - His first family perished from typhoid...my mothers family were nearly starved to death and they were on the move - they needed each other - she was to the end of her life a very dominant and charismatic character - a great performer and good buisness woman - my father did not take advanatage of her..he actually played second fiddle to my mum.


As for this Jeff guy - he is a delluded self centred liar and what he does is not a about survival - it is about usery - and the destruction of human potential.

[betsy]

On Wednesday, Texas prosecutors rested their case after playing an audio tape in which they allege the 55-year-old leader the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has sex with a 12-year-old girl in the presence of three other "wives," telling her to feel "the spirit of God."

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/110804/warren-jeffs-polygamy-child-sex-fundamentalist-church-jesus-christ-god-video

Another charismatic opportunistic pedophile who decided to build his own church in Jesus' name and rely on ignorance and weaknesses.
He should be tried and treated as a pedophile, be given a tough sentence if found guilty, and made an example to others. There's so many pedophiles coming out of the woodworks that it's getting to be ridiculous. Something has to be done.

Anyway, that's why it's so important to read the Bible so we do not get misled...or become easy prey to the devil's associates.
Especially if you are a Christian, or someone who seeks God, you have to know for yourself what it is really all about and what is required. It is imperative to read and and try to understand the Bible. You need to be able to discern.

Edited by betsy, 05 August 2011 - 04:05 AM.

[Oleg Bach]

There is nothing charismatic about Jeffs..He looks like a buggy eyed mutant con man...

[betsy]

There is nothing charismatic about Jeffs..He looks like a buggy eyed mutant con man...

I haven't seen the guy so I wouldn't know.
Perhaps he's shown at his worst due to stress of getting caught? Perhaps he can lay on the charms when he wants to? But if his appearance is truly "uncharismatic", it just begs question as to what state of mind his followers must be in to be taken in by someone as such.

People who join sects like this are usually troubled, and it's so alarming that their young children are dragged into these as well.

Edited by betsy, 05 August 2011 - 06:07 AM.

[M.Dancer]

Anyway, that's why it's so important to read the Bible so we do not get misled...or become easy prey to the devil's associates.

So why can't I have as many wives, concubines, slaves as:

Abraham?
Gideon?
Solomon?
Jacob?
Saul?

I mean...it in the bible?

[g_bambino]

I mean...it in the bible?

Obviously you're not supposed to take those parts of God's word literally, unlike the other parts that have been proven true by those heathen scientists who hate God. Don't you know how to read the Bible? Duh!

[Michael Hardner]

So why can't I have as many wives, concubines, slaves as:

Abraham?
Gideon?
Solomon?
Jacob?
Saul?

I mean...it in the bible?

Go for it. Really, only wife #1 is stopping you.

[betsy]

So why can't I have as many wives, concubines, slaves as:

Abraham?
Gideon?
Solomon?
Jacob?
Saul?

I mean...it in the bible?

See what I mean?

You're just quoting the Old Testament. You don't even understand the connection between the Old and the New Testament.


CHRISTIAN. JESUS CHRIST. Connect the dots. Hello?

That's why you have to read IN FULL! And try to understand.

If you're not a Christian, and you don't wish to be one....like what MHardner said: Go for it!
Why do you need the Bible for that? What's stopping you?

Heck, if you need validation....go with Islam!

Edited by betsy, 05 August 2011 - 07:39 AM.

[M.Dancer]

See what I mean?

You're just quoting the Old Testament. You don't even understand the connection between the Old and the New Testament.

Find one citation in the New Testament that forbids polygamy. Find one citation that forbids slavery.

Thanks

[g_bambino]

You don't even understand the connection between the Old and the New Testament.

God changed his mind?

[pinko]

I haven't seen the guy so I wouldn't know.
Perhaps he's shown at his worst due to stress of getting caught? Perhaps he can lay on the charms when he wants to? But if his appearance is truly "uncharismatic", it just begs question as to what state of mind his followers must be in to be taken in by someone as such.

People who join sects like this are usually troubled, and it's so alarming that their young children are dragged into these as well.

He actually inherited the leadership of the cult from his father Rulon Jeffs who had close to 80 wives.

The people within the sect are born into the cult and indoctrinated from birth.

Edited by pinko, 05 August 2011 - 08:49 AM.

[betsy]

Find one citation in the New Testament that forbids polygamy. Thanks

Matthew 19
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”


Ephesians 5:25-33
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.


Romans 7:1-3
Released From the Law, Bound to Christ
1 Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? 2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.

1 Corinthians 7:2
2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

The New Testament is filled with so many passages against adultery.

Edited by betsy, 05 August 2011 - 09:41 AM.

[guyser]

Another charismatic opportunistic pedophile who decided to build his own church in Jesus' name and rely on ignorance and weaknesses.

Priests do the same.

People who join sects like this are usually troubled, and it's so alarming that their young children are dragged into these as well.

Like church? Catholic/Presby/Anglican ? Probably

[betsy]

Find one citation that forbids slavery. Thanks

An interesting read.

Excerpt from The Bible Teaching on Slavery

We need to know what slavery was like in New Testament times so that we can know how to apply the New Testament instructions to situations in our own day. Kent Hughes, in his commentary on Ephesians (Crossway Books, Wheaton, IL), page 206, documents much helpful information on Roman slavery. It is estimated that there were 60,000,000 slaves in the Roman Empire, but the average slave was not abused and exploited. Some slaves did suffer at the hands of their owners, but slaves under Roman law could usually count on being set free. While slaves remained their owner’s property, they themselves could own property—including other slaves.

We note too that being a slave did not indicate one’s social class. Slaves were accorded the social status of their owners. And outwardly, one could scarcely ever distinguish a slave from a free person. A slave could be a custodian, a merchant, a salesman, a teacher, or a government official. Slaves were often highly educated. There were a few slaves who were elders in the church, and thus had authority over the masters whom they served all week. Selling oneself as a slave was commonly used as a means of gaining Roman citizenship.

Roman slavery in the first century was far more humane and civilized than the African-American slavery practiced in the he United States during the seventeenth to the nineteenth centuries. This does not suggest that ancient slavery was not evil. Slaves were still considered property and could be bought and sold and severely punished-but understanding the nature of slavery in New Testament times helps us to understand why the apostolic writers were not as quick to attack slavery.

The Apostle Paul respected the civil law and the social patterns of his day, and did not militate against the law of slavery. William Barclay, in his commentary, The Letters to Timothy and Titus, Westminster, 1960, says:

“In those early days, the Church did not emerge as the opponent and the would-be destroyer of slavery by violent and sudden means. And the Church was wise. There were something like 60,000,000 slaves in the Roman Empire … For the Church to have encouraged slaves to revolt and rebel and rise against their masters would have been fatal. It would simply have caused civil war, mass murder, and the complete discredit of the Church. (Instead), what happened was that as the centuries went on, Christianity so permeated civilization that in the end the slaves were freed voluntarily and not by force. Here is a tremendous lesson. It is the proof that neither men nor the world nor society can be reformed by force and by legislation. The reform must come through the slow penetration of the Spirit of Christ into the human situation. Things have to happen in God’s time, not in ours. In the end, the slow way is the sure way, and the way of violence always defeats itself.”

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