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[betsy]

Find one citation in the New Testament that forbids polygamy. Find one citation that forbids slavery.Thanks

I've done as you requested....but really, I don't see why you're getting yourself knotted up over this?

Those who end up getting victimized by lunatic sect leaders usually are troubled people who are seeking God or trying to fill their spiritual needs. I've given the advice of reading the Bible to them who seek God....and to all Christians. So as not to be misled.

[betsy]

Priests do the same.

Are you saying all priests? You're painting everyone with the same brush? That's bigotry.

Of course you know that bigotry usually stem from ignorance?

Like church? Catholic/Presby/Anglican ? Probably

Look who's talking!

What about you? And your New Atheist Church? Your charismatic messiah Dawkins?
Your children are also born and indoctrinated to your religion.

And before you rebutt that the New Atheist is not a religion, you better go and read the opening article in the topic Church of the Non Believers, and all those articles abouit Dawkins in Video Debates and Interviews. You've got a lot of catching up to do....

At least we've got something to back up ours.
You've got zero!

Edited by betsy, 05 August 2011 - 10:22 AM.

[Shakeyhands]

People who join sects like this are usually troubled, and it's so alarming that their young children are dragged into these as well.

Oh the irony....

[Oleg Bach]

Go for it. Really, only wife #1 is stopping you.

If I could - and don't tell anyone - but...having five consenting intelligent woman all living under the same or different roofs...is not such a bad idea - IF you are a good and intelligent man...the plus would be you could have 25 children - and send them all to work...and be a lay about and proclaim on occasion that "I am the King" - fine and dandy..but people don't seem to like kings much these days - The reason why the American feds attempted to ban mulitiple wives for Mormons was originally based on the false premise of morality - when in reality the last thing a government wants is a man with 20 wives and 80 children..that is one hell of a voting block - so they nip it in the bud - fine for the goverment to protect woman and then act as the husband to all...It's all about control - and as I said...America has developed a hate for patriarchs of any form.

[g_bambino]

...a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh.

I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.

That doesn't do as requested.

[Oleg Bach]

Marriage is weak these days - a wife has more loyality for her mother and father tnan for her husband - More loyality to her children than her husband..and most husbands are more loyal to mummy than the spouse - small wonder the kids grow up to be a bit nuts after having to be raised by a devided front - when you marry the partner comes first - then the children - that is called law and order.

[guyser]

Are you saying all priests? You're painting everyone with the same brush? That's bigotry.

No, only you are saying it so it fits better in your own lil myopic world.
Rag on FLDS but of course Priests are pious....until the odd one sticks his dick where it aint supposed to go. But of course you know that, just wont admit it.

Of course you know that bigotry usually stem from ignorance?

Your ignorance is legion. It sure as hell not me who believes in fairies and old books that deny how old this place is.

Look who's talking!

What about you? And your New Atheist Church? Your charismatic messiah Dawkins?
Your children are also born and indoctrinated to your religion.

And before you rebutt that the New Atheist is not a religion, you better go and read the opening article in the topic Church of the Non Believers, and all those articles abouit Dawkins in Video Debates and Interviews. You've got a lot of catching up to do....

At least we've got something to back up ours.
You've got zero!

I dont go to church, I dont believe one whit of what you try and espouse and science backs me up far more than you will ever admit.

Speaking of ignorance, have fun Sunday morn.

[wyly]

See what I mean?

You're just quoting the Old Testament. You don't even understand the connection between the Old and the New Testament.


CHRISTIAN. JESUS CHRIST. Connect the dots. Hello?

That's why you have to read IN FULL! And try to understand.

If you're not a Christian, and you don't wish to be one....like what MHardner said: Go for it!
Why do you need the Bible for that? What's stopping you?

Heck, if you need validation....go with Islam!

if there was jesus and there is evidence there was, the quotes attributed to him confirm he ahd no intention of eliminating the old testament

here are some quotes in regards to the OT

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)

[wyly]

As for this Jeff guy - he is a delluded self centred liar and what he does is not a about survival - it is about usery - and the destruction of human potential.

let's get to the point he's pedophile leading a ring of pedophiles masquerading as a religious cult...

I have no issues with polygamy if a man can withstand the constant torment of multiple wives but when it includes kids it's a cover for pedophilia...

[Oleg Bach]

let's get to the point he's pedophile leading a ring of pedophiles masquerading as a religious cult...

I have no issues with polygamy if a man can withstand the constant torment of multiple wives but when it includes kids it's a cover for pedophilia...

I agree - pedophiles are not men - they are worms. This guy looks like a life sucking worm...If he were a man in the real sense of the word - He could handle mature strong woman of independent thought - apparently being a parasite is more his style - and as you say - I also have no issues with polygamy...most woman do though....

[betsy]

That doesn't do as requested.

Why?

[American Woman]

Polygamist church leader Warren Jeffs — accused of raping a 12-year-old girl and impregnating 15-year-old he'd taken as "spiritual wives" — is to continue his own defense after using his opening statements Wednesday to quote scripture at length, without once mentioning the charges against him.

He was found guilty.

Jeffs, the leader of a radical polygamist sect of Mormonism known as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (FLDS), was found guilty of forcing two teenage girls into "spiritual marriage," and fathering a child with one of them when she was 15. The sexual assault charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison.

link

[betsy]

No, only you are saying it so it fits better in your own lil myopic world.
Rag on FLDS but of course Priests are pious....until the odd one sticks his dick where it aint supposed to go. But of course you know that, just wont admit it.

Your ignorance is legion. It sure as hell not me who believes in fairies and old books that deny how old this place is.

There he goes spitting and spewing....

I dont go to church, I dont believe one whit of what you try and espouse and science backs me up far more than you will ever admit.

Oyy.....and pray tell how science backs up your belief?

[guyser]

There he goes spitting and spewing....



Oyy.....and pray tell how science backs up your belief?

Betsy, sweet Betsy, if only you had an education.

In ways that unfortuantely only those indoctrinated by a church could not understand.

But thats ok betsy , I wouldnt expect you to understand.

[betsy]

if there was jesus and there is evidence there was, the quotes attributed to him confirm he ahd no intention of eliminating the old testament

here are some quotes in regards to the OT

Yes, He said He's not eliminating the Law, but to fulfill them.

And here are your quotes:

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)

So what was Jesus talking about in all your quotes??? The LAW.
What's the law? The Commandments!

THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY is one of them!

Furthermore, Jesus really expanded on adultery. He explained what is adultery under the law.

Edited by betsy, 05 August 2011 - 12:53 PM.