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[bush_cheney2004]

it's like an NFL game, 2hr's of air time but only 12 minutes of actual game time...all those talking heads need to fill up the dead air time with endless chatter to convince you something exciting is happening...

Apparently it works, as not only do Americans watch the show, so do Canadians like you.

[August1991]

I'm disillusioned that the news networks are making a game of this, when it does seem that there is only one choice. That's a conflict of interest, i.e. making up news that isn't real.

If you went back and looked at NYT articles about four years ago, it looked like Hillary Clinton had the nomination locked up too. She was far ahead in the polls. Even I thought that she would lead the Democratic ticket.

And then, things changed.

Let's wait and see.

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BTW, the bigger question in my mind is whether Obama will get re-elected. Despite the bad economic numbers, I think that he will.

[bush_cheney2004]

If you went back and looked at NYT articles about four years ago, it looked like Hillary Clinton had the nomination locked up too. She was far ahead in the polls. Even I thought that she would lead the Democratic ticket.

Indeed...I thought the same thing. There is a reason we play the games instead of just skipping to a general election. There is no better test for a candidate's mettle. People like Dion or Ignatieff would never make it to the finish line.

Edited by bush_cheney2004, 29 October 2011 - 03:25 PM.

[August1991]

Cain lost his chance of beating Obama when he told a TV camera that unemployed people have only themselves to blame for being unemployed, and poor people have only themselves to blame for being poor.

That's just black talk-radio schtick. If Cain ever won the nomination, I don't think it would matter since other factors would matter more.

Edited by August1991, 29 October 2011 - 03:25 PM.

[Michael Hardner]

If you went back and looked at NYT articles about four years ago, it looked like Hillary Clinton had the nomination locked up too. She was far ahead in the polls. Even I thought that she would lead the Democratic ticket.

If you read the NYT article, it's not about poll numbers (Cain is ahead) but about money and whether they are electable. The logic seems sound to me.

[Michael Hardner]

That's just black talk-radio schtick. If Cain ever won the nomination, I don't think it would matter since other factors would matter more.

Sure... other factors like him saying that they should electrocute Mexicans, or that a community should be able to ban a Mosque or that abortion should be illegal or that the poor should pay more taxes than they do now, and the rich should pay much less.

Also ... apparently that smoking is cool.

[bush_cheney2004]

Also ... apparently that smoking is cool.

Smoking is...and will always...be cool. Not very healthy, but always KOOL.

[Michael Hardner]

Smoking is...and will always...be cool. Not very healthy, but always KOOL.

You're right, and it's probably the most solid plank in Cain's platform at the moment.

[blueblood]

You're right, and it's probably the most solid plank in Cain's platform at the moment.

Why does a flat tax scare you? He's the only one with an original easy to digest plan for the voters. What do the other guys have?

[Michael Hardner]

Why does a flat tax scare you? He's the only one with an original easy to digest plan for the voters. What do the other guys have?

It doesn't scare me one bit, but even the other Republicans know that it's not going to work. Also, it's not original ... we had flat tax proposals in past elections too.

[bush_cheney2004]

It doesn't scare me one bit, but even the other Republicans know that it's not going to work. Also, it's not original ... we had flat tax proposals in past elections too.

...plus, you live in Canada!

[blueblood]

It doesn't scare me one bit, but even the other Republicans know that it's not going to work. Also, it's not original ... we had flat tax proposals in past elections too.

Ah, but we have the crisis that provides the opportunity for tax code change and economic fixes. I think this will be a very tight election that comes down to the debates. We have essentially two starkly different ideas for fixing the economy - Friedman vs. Krugman. The American people will choose what way they will want to go, all we can hope is that they will choose wisely...

[Michael Hardner]

Ah, but we have the crisis that provides the opportunity for tax code change and economic fixes. I think this will be a very tight election that comes down to the debates. We have essentially two starkly different ideas for fixing the economy - Friedman vs. Krugman. The American people will choose what way they will want to go, all we can hope is that they will choose wisely...

Which debate - there are at least 12 left. If they choose to cut revenue drastically, then they will have to make major expenditure cuts. There doesn't seem to be enough political will to do that.

[blueblood]

Which debate - there are at least 12 left. If they choose to cut revenue drastically, then they will have to make major expenditure cuts. There doesn't seem to be enough political will to do that.

I'm talking about the big debate between the nominee and Obama. As for political will Canada pulled it off in the nineties and Ireland pulled it off iover the last year. As bc2004 says the economy trumps all.

[August1991]

If you read the NYT article, it's not about poll numbers (Cain is ahead) but about money and whether they are electable. The logic seems sound to me.

MH, I read the article. And trust me, polls aside, they were saying the same of Hillary in 2007. (The poll numbers were ignored because Clinton presumably had name recognition.)

Moreover, the same article could have been written in 2007 about Romney! What's different this time round? McCain is not in the race?

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I tend to agree that Romney will be the Republican choice but this is still early going.

Incidentally, where is Chris Christie in all this? Or Jeb Bush?