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[August1991]

1. Our best strategy is having no strategy. We have no leaders because our movement does not need a leader.

2. We have no property - except our own stuff. We occupy a public place, and claim it as our own to oppose private wealth.

3. We oppose authority - but we want more government spending.

4a. We are American, and we claim to represent 99% of humanity.

4b. As white young articulate North American kids, we defend the world's poor.

5. We oppose capitalism, free trade and the current world corporate system despite that in the past 30 years or so, capitalism and free trade have moved a billion or more people in the world beyond dire poverty.

6. We object to consumerism, and use our iPads to make our message known.

7. We are peaceful anarchists and oppose force - except when we protect ourselves.

Edited by August1991, 19 November 2011 - 09:34 PM.

[lukin]

You are gravely mistaken if you think these people don't have a leader. There is a master and the occupiers are the puppets.

Edited by Charles Anthony, 20 November 2011 - 10:44 AM.
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[Bonam]

Only 7?

[jbg]

You are gravely mistaken if you think these people don't have a leader. There is a master and the occupiers are the puppets.

Who?

[August1991]

You are gravely mistaken if you think these people don't have a leader.

So, who is the leader? Leonid Brezhnev? George Soros?

Lukin, if life could be so simple.

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I saw the aftermath in Lebanon. I am terrified that a small percentage of fanatics, a mob, could cause such havoc for everyone else.

Thank God that in the modern West, in general, cooler heads prevail.

[lukin]

So, who is the leader? Leonid Brezhnev? George Soros?

Lukin, if life could be so simple.

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I saw the aftermath in Lebanon. I am terrified that a small percentage of fanatics, a mob, could cause such havoc for everyone else.

Thank God that in the modern West, in general, cooler heads prevail.

For the time being.....

[eyeball]

Ha...and all this time I thought people who said they didn't get it were just being disingenuous.

Go figure - you mean they really don't?

[August1991]

For the time being.....

The municipal governments, and police chiefs, have largely got this right. (IMHO, they should have moved sooner but who am I to second-guess.)

But Lukin, imagine a society where this small Occupy Mob suddenly had power, and controlled the State.

I lived through mob violence in Sri Lanka in 1984 and I think that's what happened in France in 1789.

In Lebanon (another place I know), a small percentage of the population in the 1970s created utter havoc for everyone else.

Edited by August1991, 19 November 2011 - 10:10 PM.

[lukin]

The municipal governments, and police chiefs, have largely got this right. (IMHO, they should have moved sooner but who am I to second-guess.)

But Lukin, imagine a society where this small Occupy Mob suddenly had power, and controlled the State.

I lived through mob violence in Sri Lanka in 1984 and I think that's what happened in France in 1789.

In Lebanon (another place I know), a small percentage of the population in the 1970s created utter havoc for everyone else.

Full scale riots is the goal of these occupy protests. Except many of the occupiers are unaware of this goal. The puppet masters get what the puppet masters want. They can hide while the fools get played.

[dre]

1. Our best strategy is having no strategy. We have no leaders because our movement does not need a leader.

2. We have no property - except our own stuff. We occupy a public place, and claim it as our own to oppose private wealth.

3. We oppose authority - but we want more government spending.

4a. We are American, and we claim to represent 99% of humanity.

4b. As white young articulate North American kids, we defend the world's poor.

5. We oppose capitalism, free trade and the current world corporate system despite that in the past 30 years or so, capitalism and free trade have moved a billion or more people in the world beyond dire poverty.

6. We object to consumerism, and use our iPads to make our message known.

7. We are peaceful anarchists and oppose force - except when we protect ourselves.

Interesting post.

At when I read it It seemed like a garden variety rant expressing a clear bias... and I wasnt going to reply. But then I noticed that most of your points are just intellectually dishonest strawmen. For example...

We object to consumerism, and use our iPads to make our message known.

And THEN... I noticed the how much logical fallacy that had been crammed into this single small post, I thought... This might be something special. For example...

As white young articulate North American kids, we defend the world's poor.

Apparently its a contradiction for a young white American to take on the cause of the impoverished?


So yeah... While I almost passed over your post without giving it much thought, I gotta admit Im impressed.

Impressed that you would even bother writing it.

And Impressed that at the sheer density of logical fallacy in such a short post.

Edited by dre, 20 November 2011 - 02:48 AM.

[charter.rights]

1. Our best strategy is having no strategy. We have no leaders because our movement does not need a leader.
They believe it is about having a single issue and can't understand that it is a discussion that is taking place all over the world. True participatory democracy doesn't have leaders. It has consensus.

2. We have no property - except our own stuff. We occupy a public place, and claim it as our own to oppose private wealth. They aren't opposed to private wealth.

3. We oppose authority - but we want more government spending. They neither oppose or authority or want more government spending. They want government to get out of bed with big corrupt corporations.


4a. We are American, and we claim to represent 99% of humanity. They are representative of people all over the world.

4b. As white young articulate North American kids, we defend the world's poor. They aren't attempting to defend the poor exclusively. The defend our human and civil rights, which are not exclusive to race or wealth status.

5. We oppose capitalism, free trade and the current world corporate system despite that in the past 30 years or so, capitalism and free trade have moved a billion or more people in the world beyond dire poverty. They do not oppose capitalism, they oppose corporatism and government corruption.

6. We object to consumerism, and use our iPads to make our message known.They object to rampant consumerism that builds in premature redundancy in order to produce more.

7. We are peaceful anarchists and oppose force - except when we protect ourselves. They are not anarchists, since they are highly organized and democratic in their messages. The problem is that the Right Wing sees democracy as a threat to their aristocracies and uses every means (Lobbying firm's memo spells out plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street)to interfere with their democratic right to protest and send messages out to others.

I wonder why this message is threatening to Conservatives?

[Manny]

I wonder why this message is threatening to Conservatives?

[Manny]

We are the real conservatives

[lukin]

1. Our best strategy is having no strategy. We have no leaders because our movement does not need a leader.
They believe it is about having a single issue and can't understand that it is a discussion that is taking place all over the world. True participatory democracy doesn't have leaders. It has consensus.

2. We have no property - except our own stuff. We occupy a public place, and claim it as our own to oppose private wealth. They aren't opposed to private wealth.

3. We oppose authority - but we want more government spending. They neither oppose or authority or want more government spending. They want government to get out of bed with big corrupt corporations.


4a. We are American, and we claim to represent 99% of humanity. They are representative of people all over the world.

4b. As white young articulate North American kids, we defend the world's poor. They aren't attempting to defend the poor exclusively. The defend our human and civil rights, which are not exclusive to race or wealth status.

5. We oppose capitalism, free trade and the current world corporate system despite that in the past 30 years or so, capitalism and free trade have moved a billion or more people in the world beyond dire poverty. They do not oppose capitalism, they oppose corporatism and government corruption.

6. We object to consumerism, and use our iPads to make our message known.They object to rampant consumerism that builds in premature redundancy in order to produce more.

7. We are peaceful anarchists and oppose force - except when we protect ourselves. They are not anarchists, since they are highly organized and democratic in their messages. The problem is that the Right Wing sees democracy as a threat to their aristocracies and uses every means (Lobbying firm's memo spells out plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street)to interfere with their democratic right to protest and send messages out to others.

I wonder why this message is threatening to Conservatives?

Charter, the top echelon of the occupiers, those not protesting, are very well organized, pouring millions of dollars into the so-called occupy protest. The socialist-capitalists are pulling the strings. The goal of the power elite is to give the average citizen less freedom through revolution/riot. We are in for a rough ride. Time for you to take off the blinders and realize why these protests are happening.

Here's another perspective.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/iris-somberg/2011/10/14/36-million-soros-aids-groups-support-promote-occupy-wall-street#ixzz1dn0wIZQN

Too bad the MSM is utterly useless.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/iris-somberg/2011/10/14/36-million-soros-aids-groups-support-promote-occupy-wall-street#ixzz1dn16enbw

Edited by lukin, 20 November 2011 - 08:23 AM.

[charter.rights]

Charter.....

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/iris-somberg/2011/10/14/36-million-soros-aids-groups-support-promote-occupy-wall-street#ixzz1dn0wIZQN

Too bad the MSM is utterly useless.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/iris-somberg/2011/10/14/36-million-soros-aids-groups-support-promote-occupy-wall-street#ixzz1dn16enbw

Right:

Lobbying firm's memo spells out plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street

Where do you think your conspiracy theory originated?

Edited by charter.rights, 20 November 2011 - 08:30 AM.