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[Jack Weber]

You know Guyser, when the League made up the rules about being so close you could drive from Hamilton to Maple Leaf Gardens in about 35 minutes. Speed limits were 80 mph on the QE highway!

Now it's more like at least 2 hours most times of the day. Certainly, if you wanted to make sure you could get parked and seated you should perhaps allow yourself at least 3 hours to be safe.

What's more, the drive is always a frustrating pissoff! It just frazzles your nerves and boosts your blood pressure.

Maybe the League should consider the situation in terms of the real world and how long a trip takes in 2011. It's doubtful if they would, however. The status quo is just fine financially for them.

I'm of the opinion now that Hamilton should simply forget about the NHL. They should support their local teams in less-important leagues.

Most important, they should completely boycott any Leaf games! Not that it would have any great effect but if the League doesn't care about Hamilton then screw them and the horses they rode in on!

Tiger-Cats,partner...Not silly hockey...

Edited by Jack Weber, 09 December 2011 - 02:19 PM.

[guyser]

Maybe the League should consider the situation in terms of the real world and how long a trip takes in 2011. It's doubtful if they would, however. The status quo is just fine financially for them.

You answered your own query. The financials is what it is all about.

I'm of the opinion now that Hamilton should simply forget about the NHL. They should support their local teams in less-important leagues.

Most important, they should completely boycott any Leaf games! Not that it would have any great effect but if the League doesn't care about Hamilton then screw them and the horses they rode in on!

I dont think Hamilton is big enough to have a team. The region certainly is, especially if you continue north and slightly west to K-W . Of course the St Kitts area helps to.

But look at it from an NHL sense.

Put in Hamilton and watch as Hamilton erodes the base of the Sabres. Within a few years , unless Buff turns the city around, the NHL will have a Phoenix on their hands, but with shittier weather !

I went ot school in Hamilton, my cousins all lived there so i was frequently in Hamilton all my life so I quite like it. Sqame goes for Buffalo as I have lifelong friends there from my cottage and go see them all the time. The only reason I mentioin this is because I dont trulyu slag either place and am not one of those TO and ONLY TO typoe people, although I have teased as if I am.

Probably best of Hamiltonians forgot about the NHL coming for awhile. I just dont see it happening unless Copps falls down and a new arena comes up.

[Boges]

Really? Hmmmm. So Bell and Rogers, which both carry numerous CBC stations and get revenue from them as well as using them as advertising channels, will cancel HNIC, which is also seen in every other hockey market and region in Canada, because they both bought into a share of the Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment in Toronto.

Uh-huh. Nice try Boges. I think I see your problem with logic right here Boges.

These are the same guys that yanked the Olympics away from CBC. Who's to say they can't do the same to the HNIC.

I don't know what will happen but it's certainly possible they'll want all the Leaf games on their content in the future.

[Boges]

You answered your own query. The financials is what it is all about.


I dont think Hamilton is big enough to have a team. The region certainly is, especially if you continue north and slightly west to K-W . Of course the St Kitts area helps to.

But look at it from an NHL sense.

Put in Hamilton and watch as Hamilton erodes the base of the Sabres. Within a few years , unless Buff turns the city around, the NHL will have a Phoenix on their hands, but with shittier weather !

I went ot school in Hamilton, my cousins all lived there so i was frequently in Hamilton all my life so I quite like it. Sqame goes for Buffalo as I have lifelong friends there from my cottage and go see them all the time. The only reason I mentioin this is because I dont trulyu slag either place and am not one of those TO and ONLY TO typoe people, although I have teased as if I am.

Probably best of Hamiltonians forgot about the NHL coming for awhile. I just dont see it happening unless Copps falls down and a new arena comes up.

Hamilton is just a central location for a place where many people live. Going to see the Leafs is so difficult for your average person in the GTA so having a team in Hamilton would immediately be attractive to people in K-Dub, Halton, Peel, Niagara.

I would immediately be the fan of any team in Hamilton.

[Shwa]

These are the same guys that yanked the Olympics away from CBC. Who's to say they can't do the same to the HNIC.

Keep reaching for that crayon son.

[guyser]

These are the same guys that yanked the Olympics away from CBC. Who's to say they can't do the same to the HNIC.

No they out bid them

I don't know what will happen but it's certainly possible they'll want all the Leaf games on their content in the future.

They will have to bid to the NHL just like HNIC does at the CBC.

Frankly, if TSN and Sportsnet can do it like HNIC (and they dont) I would be ok w it.

But HNIC production values, camera operators, behind scene operators are the best in the biz. Rogers and TSN wouold kill for that crew.

There is a reason John Shannon is on Roger Sportsnet, and it aint cuz he is handsome .

He is the one who brought many of the changes to HNIC. Goal cams anyone?

[Boges]

Keep reaching for that crayon son.

Wow get pretty offensive when people say something bad about your precious CBC. I see how you roll.

You really don't see there being implications on how Bell/Rogers will want to control where the Leafs are seen in the future?

I doubt Score will ever broadcast a Raptors game again. Ditto with CBC showing Toronto FC.

[Boges]

The issue of CBC was addressed in the news conference this morning. The games CBC broadcasts are controlled by the league actually.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/12/09/rogers-bell-buy-majority-stake-in-mlse/

What does this mean for the future of Hockey Night in Canada, and its long-time hold on Saturday nights in Toronto? “It’s very important that the people understand that those games are actually separate, and controlled by the league,” Mohamed said. “There is a deal in place, and whether any party decides to bid will be something determined at the time.”

So when the CBC's deal is up, there's nothing saying this media consortium can't bid for those games like they did with the Olympics.

I kind of feel bad for AM640. They got that one sports upper hand on the two competing Sports Radio stations in Toronto and now apparently they won't be the home of the Leafs anymore.

Edited by Boges, 09 December 2011 - 04:51 PM.

[Shwa]

Wow get pretty offensive when people say something bad about your precious CBC. I see how you roll

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Precious CBC? Is that what it was about? Crayon...

You really don't see there being implications on how Bell/Rogers will want to control where the Leafs are seen in the future?

You are acting like A) Bell/Rogers is some sort of megaconglomerate now, instead of competitors and they actually give a crap about the Leafs. BIG assumptions. But neither spells the end of HNIC on the CBC.

Perhaps they want to spread the love out even more thus ensuring a lucrative Leaf broadcasting rights, lucrative Leaf merchandising rights. Etc.

I doubt Score will ever broadcast a Raptors game again. Ditto with CBC showing Toronto FC.

So nobody will watch them on TSN and SportsNet. Woo.

[Boges]

Perhaps they want to spread the love out even more thus ensuring a lucrative Leaf broadcasting rights, lucrative Leaf merchandising rights. Etc.

And you don't think Bell or Rogers doesn't want a piece of that Saturday Night Game? I doubt they can compete with this Media Consortium when the contract is up.

Their deal goes until 2014. So nothing will be happening in the immediate future.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2007/03/26/hockey-night-in-canada.html

Edited by Boges, 09 December 2011 - 04:59 PM.

[Boges]

No they out bid them

They will have to bid to the NHL just like HNIC does at the CBC.

Frankly, if TSN and Sportsnet can do it like HNIC (and they dont) I would be ok w it.

You clearly have a crayon in your brain.

I don't mind HNIC but it isn't sacrosanct. If you had told anyone 15 years ago that the Grey Cup would be on TSN in 2011, I doubt many would believe it.

As long as I can remember the idea of an Olympics (sup Ben Johnson) you watched the coverage on the CBC, not so anymore.

Things change.

[Shwa]

And you don't think Bell or Rogers doesn't want a piece of that Saturday Night Game? I doubt they can compete with this Media Consortium when the contract is up.

Do you think that the other Canadian clubs or the NHL won't have a say? How many Rogers customers are there in Alberta and BC anyways? Hey Peterborough has Cogeco, will they be left out in the cold? Eff you Cogeco and Videotron!

Their deal goes until 2014. So nothing will be happening in the immediate future.

Of course, now that the Maple Leafs have new owners, they are going to dictate to the rest of the country how it is going to be. You know, they ARE the Maple Leafs after all and people will all tune in on their phones on Saturday nights.

[olp1fan]

for some reason this year leafs have missed 3 saturdays and will miss a few more .. like tomorrow night leafs do not play! really hate that

and montreal plays new jersey at 1 pm? who the f made this schedule

and nobody wants to watch canucks and sens prime time

think ill just finish a season of one of my shows tomorrow night

[blueblood]

You know Guyser, when the League made up the rules about being so close you could drive from Hamilton to Maple Leaf Gardens in about 35 minutes. Speed limits were 80 mph on the QE highway!

Now it's more like at least 2 hours most times of the day. Certainly, if you wanted to make sure you could get parked and seated you should perhaps allow yourself at least 3 hours to be safe.

What's more, the drive is always a frustrating pissoff! It just frazzles your nerves and boosts your blood pressure.

Maybe the League should consider the situation in terms of the real world and how long a trip takes in 2011. It's doubtful if they would, however. The status quo is just fine financially for them.

I'm of the opinion now that Hamilton should simply forget about the NHL. They should support their local teams in less-important leagues.

Most important, they should completely boycott any Leaf games! Not that it would have any great effect but if the League doesn't care about Hamilton then screw them and the horses they rode in on!

Its not about the length of a drive its the geographic area and the pop. In it, and the nhl bog don't care about the border. Its a simple franchise system, the bog decides the optimum place for the franchises to be located. It would be like you owning a timmies and you get to enjoy people waiting in line, but all of a sudden someone else puts a timmies right across the street. If I'm a board member of mlse, I want everyone in southern ontario buying leafs tv, leafs jerseys, and paying thru the nose for leafs tickets. Why would I vote for someone to come in and take that revenue away from me? Unless MLSE put a franchise in hamilton, which the 29 other bog would slap down in an instant.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Oh, but "Big Telecomm" are separate entities. I'm more concerned about what this says about the telecommunications industry in Canada.

There is a reason Rogers and Bell are only really dominant to any degree in some parts of Canada for telecomm.

They suck and can only exist/gouge with the CRTC's backing in the guise of protecting Canadian ownership.

Edited by MiddleClassCentrist, 10 December 2011 - 04:51 AM.