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#1 Alberta_Ford

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 07:13 PM

Just a good selling point to get rid of long gun registry I have yet to here or read is this situation; a family member dies and a antique rifle or collecters item rifle for example is passed on to someone. The rifle was never registered, now this person who accepts this firearm like a gift being passed onto him out of respect is now a criminal under the firearms act for possessing an unregistered firearm. I think we should have the freedom to own a firearm no questions asked, and if someone decides to use it with criminal intentions should then be considered a criminal and charged like one. I hope the conservatives go a step further and get rid of licensing aswell at the federal level because the whole of Canada is not like Toronto or Montreal being busy downtowns. If provinces, regions or municipalities would like to have users be licensed then so be it, but there are entire provinces and territories that you can target shoot in your back yard and not harm or bother anyone let alone by owning an unregistered firearm. Either way these laws are rediculous to be at the federal level being that we are the second biggest country with an astonishingly low population density. So theres no need to regulate this across the board. For example in most areas of the prairies it's a waist of money at the federal level and should only be used at a lower government level only where deemed required for public safety like big cities. Some complain about how this divides urban/rural Canada, they must have no clue about rural Canada because it's as divided as can be at every level and on top of that country folk just don't like city folk and that ain't gonna change. To me it seems pretty divided anyway. So my overall point is that the oppositions points are irrelevant to the majority of Canada by land mass or area, not necessarily by population. As well as there are situations and reasons that this law is unfit to be in place nation wide.

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 09:26 PM

I hope the conservatives go a step further and get rid of licensing aswell at the federal level because the whole of Canada is not like Toronto or Montreal being busy downtowns.

I think that cities should be able to make sensible regulations concerning time, place and manner of use. I don't think there's any indication that the Mark Lapines of the world would meekly comply with a registration requirement.

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 09:55 PM

For or against long gun registry? Which one and why

Against. It would never have done a thing to prevent weapons from falling into the hands of the insane. Neither will cracking down on gang-bangers mind you, but the politicians still need to be seen doing something right? ;)

Luckily us country folk never get insane so them damn city slickers can go register themselves up the wahzoo for all we care. :lol:

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 12:14 AM

I've been a hunter and gun owner since my teens, and I never had a problem with a certain level of gun control. Just like I don't like the idea of drunken crazies on the road, I don't like the idea of just anbody having any number of kind of gun they desire. Prior to the long-gun registry, we had a perfectly fine system (Firearm Acquisition Certificate) whereby handguns were strictly limited to those willing to suffer the red tape involved in owning them, automatic weapons and stuff like bazookas were off limits since nobody outside of the army has a legitimate use for those things anyway, and the hunters and target shooters had to pass a criminal background check to buy guns and ammo. This was a reasonable compromise that kept guns out of the hands of crazies and impulse shooters, while allowing for the lawful and legitimate use of firearms. Just because the long-gun registry is ending doesn't mean I want no rules at all. I have no problem being a licensed gun owner, I do have a problem with ignorant urbanites making up an endless litany or rules and regulations designed to make gun ownership so onerous that I feel like a criminal on an ongoing basis because I'm not sure of the latest insane rules regarding where and how I store my guns and ammo. And stop lumping me in with the the Marc Lapines of the world -- that guy was crazy, plain and simple, and you can't legislate crazy away.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 08:40 AM

The Liberals enacted their Gun Registry Bill, which did not add a single day's sentence to any monkeyshine who actually USED a gun in a commission of a crime!

Yet for an honest citizen to fail to register meant a sentence more harsh than that typically given to said monkeyshine robbing a variety store with a handgun.

To me, this spoke volumes about the real aims of the gun registry and the actual character and values of those supporting it.

In all these years I have heard NOTHING from the gun registry supporters about increasing the punishment for illegal use of a firearm!

There must be something wrong with their heads! A justice system with no true deterrence cannot possibly work. A system that targets the innocent instead of the guilty will never command respect.
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Posted 26 December 2011 - 08:41 AM

I've been a hunter and gun owner since my teens, and I never had a problem with a certain level of gun control.

Truncated for brevity.
that guy was crazy, plain and simple, and you can't legislate crazy away.


"Prior to the long-gun registry, we had a perfectly fine system (Firearm Acquisition Certificate) whereby handguns were strictly limited to those willing to suffer the red tape involved in owning them, automatic weapons and stuff like bazookas were off limits"

I doth certainly agree. The fiasco of registering long guns did nothing to stop crime. The money would have been far better spent on policing.
Were I a cop I would assume any home I was about to enter for criminal activity or violence had a gun or knife, I wouldn't be checking a list.

I say what we had (FAC) was enough.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 02:40 PM

I try not to point out grammar and spelling mistakes too often because I'm not perfect either, but I found that post nearly unreadable.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 03:34 PM

I try not to point out grammar and spelling mistakes too often because I'm not perfect either, but I found that post nearly unreadable.


I think his main point is clear, CC. Being a poor speller may make his points hard to understand but it changes nothing as to their truth or falsehood.

He asks what did the gun registry ever do to help stop crime? It's a valid question. It did nothing to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. In fact, in some cases criminals gained access to the information in order to steal legal guns from homes! There was a scandal here in Ontario where one of the civil serpents involved in the data management had a Hell's Angel for a boyfriend. So it could be argued that the registry hurt more than it helped.

Perhaps you have some concrete examples as to how the gun registry was effective in stopping crime you can share.
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Posted 26 December 2011 - 03:55 PM

[quote name='Wild Bill'
There was a scandal here in Ontario where one of the civil serpents involved in the data management had a Hell's Angel for a boyfriend.


How long ago was that?

Edited by Alberta_Ford, 26 December 2011 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted 26 December 2011 - 04:31 PM


There was a scandal here in Ontario where one of the civil serpents involved in the data management had a Hell's Angel for a boyfriend.


How long ago was that?


Oh, remember me for an old guy, AF! :lol:

It was about 7-8 years ago, as I recall. I'm not firm on the date as I was more impressed with the fact that it happened.

I'm just too old, fat and busy to google everything for everybody, especially when for many posters on this board (I'm sure you've already run into a few) they couldn't care if God himself was a witness and endorsed the account - they will never change their minds! :lol:

Edited by Wild Bill, 26 December 2011 - 04:32 PM.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 04:47 AM

I think his main point is clear, CC. Being a poor speller may make his points hard to understand but it changes nothing as to their truth or falsehood.

No. His main point is not clear because I didn't read through the post. He may have a point, but when someone's spelling and grammar is that bad, I can't be bothered sitting here and deciphering it.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 04:58 AM

It was about 7-8 years ago, as I recall. I'm not firm on the date as I was more impressed with the fact that it happened.

Are you sure you're not mixing stories? Wasn't it Maxime Bernier that left NATO documents lying around and his partner at that time had connections to the Hell's Angels?

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 08:15 AM

So now some want to forget the gun licence? Since there no way for anyone to stop a person with a long gun or handgun from killing someone, why not just ban ALL guns in Canada , except for police, military or security?? The farmers has said they need one for wild animals, well one would call the animal control to deal with it. Seriously, why does the general public need a gun? If you need the feel of power, go buy a paint gun. That should go over well,lol.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 08:25 AM

The farmers has said they need one for wild animals, well one would call the animal control to deal with it. Seriously, why does the general public need a gun? If you need the feel of power, go buy a paint gun. That should go over well,lol.

Ya, that'll work, I'll just tell the coyote to stop killing my chickens and by the way stand over there and wait, animal control should be here in about an hour to control you. Why do I need a gun? Right now there are three deer in my freezer, as there usually are at this time of year because I make a point of filling my freezer every fall. Venison is excellent lean meat, free of hormones and antibiotics, and you can't buy it in stores. So if I want it (and I do), I have to go kill it myself. I do own a bow and I hunt with it, but that's very time consuming. Bowhunting is enjoyable, but the rifle fills the freezer. That's why I need a gun.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 08:36 AM

Ya, that'll work, I'll just tell the coyote to stop killing my chickens and by the way stand over there and wait, animal control should be here in about an hour to control you. Why do I need a gun? Right now there are three deer in my freezer, as there usually are at this time of year because I make a point of filling my freezer every fall. Venison is excellent lean meat, free of hormones and antibiotics, and you can't buy it in stores. So if I want it (and I do), I have to go kill it myself. I do own a bow and I hunt with it, but that's very time consuming. Bowhunting is enjoyable, but the rifle fills the freezer. That's why I need a gun.

So why do you need a gun now that the freezer is full? Oh right...

As for your damn chickens and as I already told you, build a better coop. It's people like you with lackadaisical food production practices that attract coyotes and bears into conflict with humans in the first place. Now we have to put up with your bullets flying around the neighbourhood too? Thanks a lot.



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