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[Michael Hardner]

Oh, don't worry, change is constant. But it won't always be to your liking.

No, but it won't always be to my disliking. I haven't liked much of the change over the past 30 years... maybe 10%... so here's to the next 30.

[bush_cheney2004]

No, but it won't always be to my disliking. I haven't liked much of the change over the past 30 years... maybe 10%... so here's to the next 30.

There is a cure for that discovered with age. Just go back to what you like. I am converting some 8mm movie film to digital right now and it is very satisfying. The rhythm of the clicking projector gate and motor whir is a very familiar and soothing sound.

[Michael Hardner]

I live a little wilder than that. Flamethrower sky diving... That sort of thing.


Not really.

[bush_cheney2004]

I live a little wilder than that. Flamethrower sky diving... That sort of thing.

Oh...we have that too. The most famous snippet of 8mm film was shot by a guy named Zapruder.

[dre]

Cybercoma, you might have had a point in 1750 France or even 1820 America. Nowadays, you simply sound like an 1840 Communist.

The democratic revolution has occurred. The "poor/victim" majority can and does vote itself benefits taken from the "rich/dominant" minority.

No it hasnt... the exact opposite has happened. The is the LEAST redistributive system we have ever had the most slanted in favor of business and wealth ever has well. In Canada we have had business governments for 30 years straight, and the only labor party has never managed to win a single election. Im not making a judgement on whether or not this is good or bad, but to pretend there has been some kind of democratic revolution is just dopey.

[fellowtraveller]

Then why are so many right-wingers so supportive of supporting dictators?

Now you have me confused.
Are Mao, Castro, Pol Pot,Chavez, Stalin etc etc etc not from the left?

[Michael Hardner]

Now you have me confused.
Are Mao, Castro, Pol Pot,Chavez, Stalin etc etc etc not from the left?

That's fine, but shouldn't there be NO right wing dictators if this were true:

People on the Right think that to improve the world, people should be "free".

That was what was being commented on. If that's true, then we wouldn't have had Fascism, and the scary monsters that make up the best of the rightist dictator villains that we're all so familiar with.

[fellowtraveller]

That's fine, but shouldn't there be NO right wing dictators if this were true:

I wasn't commenting on that, I was commenting on the implication that dictators are all right wing. Many of the worst of the worst are appear to be lefties.

If that's true, then we wouldn't have had Fascism, and the scary monsters that make up the best of the rightist dictator villains that we're all so familiar with.

Ah yes, fascism, with Herr Hitler leading the way. Wasn't he the chap who led the National Socialist Party to a democratic victory in Germany?

[Bonam]

That was what was being commented on. If that's true, then we wouldn't have had Fascism, and the scary monsters that make up the best of the rightist dictator villains that we're all so familiar with.

That's a problem with the one dimensional political spectrum. To one person, far right means fascist. To another, far right means libertarian. And yet those two ideologies are almost complete diametric opposites, despite both being classified as "far right". The reality is you need at least a two dimensional political spectrum to even try to accurately describe the real breadth of political views out there.

[fellowtraveller]

The economic structure of Hitlers economy was somewhere in the middle politically. He more or less controlled the means of production especially once the war started, but the factories were privately owned and profit making enterprises.

[eyeball]

I wasn't commenting on that, I was commenting on the implication that dictators are all right wing. Many of the worst of the worst are appear to be lefties.

The worst are above everyone else not to their left or right. To me the axis on which the rulers and the ruled are positioned has always seemed more relevant in the scheme of things.

Ah yes, fascism, with Herr Hitler leading the way. Wasn't he the chap who led the National Socialist Party to a democratic victory in Germany?

That's right, all it took was a right-wing party backed by wealthy industrialists to cross the floor and give him the final little bit of support he needed to win.

So wtf is it with so many right-wingers, especially the wealthiest one's, and their penchant for sucking up to the ruling end of the spectrum no matter how foul or which way the people there swing?

[fellowtraveller]

The worst are above everyone else not to their left or right.

Nice shift of the goalposts. Not.
So the folks I mentioned are not left or right, but north and south?

[eyeball]

Nice shift of the goalposts. Not.
So the folks I mentioned are not left or right, but north and south?

Just north and speaking of shifting, my question still stands, if people on the right think that to improve the world, people should be "free", why are so many so quick to defend the support that we give to dictators?