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#1 Peeves

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 09:46 AM

The dichotomy of hate.

Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior. They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence.

From my reading of varied sources, varied religions, I have concluded that some religions will lead you to the peace of their beliefs even if they have to murder you to ensure your salvation.

Today in our contemporary world,(and I am referring to religious hate/violence), there are Algerians murdering other Algerians. In the Middle East there are Arabs murdering other Arabs.
There are Indians killing other Indians, Sikh-Hindu-Muslim.
Africans killing other Africans...
Lebanese have killed other Lebanese.
Iraqi's now murdering with terrorist bombs, other Iraqis'.
Syrians, Egyptians murdering their countrymen....

These religions are claiming they are religions of peace, yet they kill and have killed, have been killed for most of their history in the name of their religion.


Seems to me (any) god is completely absent in their behavior. Seems to me

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 09:56 AM

You forgot western countries, that are as a guilty as any. Seems our most religious leaders/parties are most dedicated to war.
"Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint." - Alexander Hamilton

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 11:06 AM

You forgot western countries, that are as a guilty as any. Seems our most religious leaders/parties are most dedicated to war.



Ahh, but I dispute your label of Western countries as in a religious bent. Those I referenced are, without a doubt. I do not dispute the Western countries (Iraq- Bush and the Coalition of the willing of war mongering, I do disclaim that there's was under the banner or guise of religion.

Those I referenced are religious in nature and fact.
Today, without the presence of the USA or others involved, religious factions are conducting a religious war that could lead to a civil war supported by outside religiously differing sectarian countries.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 05:48 PM

Ahh, but I dispute your label of Western countries as in a religious bent. Those I referenced are, without a doubt. I do not dispute the Western countries (Iraq- Bush and the Coalition of the willing of war mongering, I do disclaim that there's was under the banner or guise of religion.


Harper and Obama are also Christian men. They believe in a man whose teachings greatly preached forgiveness and non-violence, yet these men do the opposite. How many western leaders is this the same for? These Christian hypocrites?





Those I referenced are religious in nature and fact.
Today, without the presence of the USA or others involved, religious factions are conducting a religious war that could lead to a civil war supported by outside religiously differing sectarian countries.


What is happening in Egypt in Syria is primarily religious? Seems like these crackdowns have much more to do with authoritarian governments maintaining power at any cost.

Also, you say Africa. Which countries specifically? It's a big continent. There are religious wars there, as well as ethnic/racial wars, resource wars, wars of political independence, and many coups based on power grabs that have little to do with religion. I would say most of the violence in Africa post-WWII has more to do with things other than religion.
"Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint." - Alexander Hamilton

"Did you know that today 27,000 children will die of preventable diseases such as diarrhea, measles, and malnutrition? That's the same as if an airplane full of children crashed every 16 minutes, killing everyone onboard." - Aug. 2005 edition of 'Warcry', official magazine of the Salvation Army

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 09:20 AM

What about the Irish killing other Irish?

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free and civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as their religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 11:42 AM

Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior.

Excuse me but dissociative identity disorder has nothing to do with schizophrenia.

They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence.

That's not mental illness, it's simple run-of-the-mill hypocrisy.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:05 PM

What about the Irish killing other Irish?



What about it? It fits the dichotomy of hate as well..
btw, They also killed other Britains'.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:13 PM

"Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior. They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence.

From my reading of varied sources, varied religions, I have concluded that some religions will lead you to the peace of their beliefs even if they have to murder you to ensure your salvation.


Seems to me (any) god is completely absent in their behavior."
Above truncated by author for brevity.

I deny any invasion by Bush and the 'willing' were flying Christianities banner, yelling Christian benedictions nor does Harper.
On the other hand deeds are done against other Muslims, Christians, Hindu, because of a religion.

"It would be a laugh to be someone like
Peeves, causing mayhem and not bothering."


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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:18 PM

Excuse me but dissociative identity disorder has nothing to do with schizophrenia.


That's not mental illness, it's simple run-of-the-mill hypocrisy.


Depending on context, meaning or usage.
As;

schizophrenia
2
: contradictory or antagonistic qualities or attitudes <both parties … have exhibited schizophrenia over the desired outcome


Edited by Peeves, 28 December 2011 - 01:19 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 01:21 PM

I deny any invasion by Bush and the 'willing' were flying Christianities banner, yelling Christian benedictions nor does Harper.
On the other hand deeds are done against other Muslims, Christians, Hindu, because of a religion.

Whatever the reason.

There is no "force" of religion seperate and distinct from other forces that humans participate in, to carry out their violent intentions. All those things are simply the mediums people use to do their thing, whether it be good or bad. Take away religion and it gets replaced with something else, and violence continues. In the end, there are only human beings.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 02:27 PM

Whatever the reason.

There is no "force" of religion seperate and distinct from other forces that humans participate in, to carry out their violent intentions. All those things are simply the mediums people use to do their thing, whether it be good or bad. Take away religion and it gets replaced with something else, and violence continues. In the end, there are only human beings.

I like what you wrote here. Religion is not as much a force as a rationale.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 03:07 PM

Depending on context, meaning or usage.
As;

No, whoever you quoted is out to lunch too.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 03:09 PM

I like what you wrote here. Religion is not as much a force as a rationale.

Yep, religion is just a thing and how it's used is all that matters.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 04:02 PM

sounds like it's only strange for some to see countrymen killing each other but bombing people from another country is not strange and accepted.

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Posted 28 December 2011 - 04:20 PM

"Religion has proven to be a great example of the split personality, of a schizophrenic behavior. They insist that they are advocating the "peace" aspect of their religion while at times practicing hate and violence.

From my reading of varied sources, varied religions, I have concluded that some religions will lead you to the peace of their beliefs even if they have to murder you to ensure your salvation.


Seems to me (any) god is completely absent in their behavior."
Above truncated by author for brevity.

I deny any invasion by Bush and the 'willing' were flying Christianities banner, yelling Christian benedictions nor does Harper.
On the other hand deeds are done against other Muslims, Christians, Hindu, because of a religion.



I deny any invasion by Bush and the 'willing' were flying Christianities banner, yelling Christian benedictions nor does Harper.
On the other hand deeds are done against other Muslims, Christians, Hindu, because of a religion.


We dont invoke religion as overtly as others, and predominatly Christian nations emphasize secularism. But religion still effects public policy behind the scenes.

Take the invasion of Iraq... not only were Christians much more likely to support it, but we had a predominantly Christian army completely with Priests, Chaplains, etc, commanded by a guy who said that "God told him to do it", wrapped in all kinds of religious rhetoric.

So if youre tallying up the violence commited by each of the three religions based on Abraham the putrid dispicable maggot, then you have count the actions of national militaries or youre just not being honest with yourself.



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