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TheItalian captain's cowardice

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reminds me of some of the Italian army jokes during the later stages of WW2.

It sounds more and more like as a captain he should be demoted to swabbie last class and given something he can steer, :unsure: like a mop in a jail cell.

Cowardly SOB deserves to be keel hauled or made to walk the plank.

I understand there is an automatic 12 year sentence ? if found guilty of deserting his ship.

Or

Life for the loss of life for his actions.

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If he's worth his hide, he'll solve this w/ a pistol and a single bullet.

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If he's worth his hide, he'll solve this w/ a pistol and a single bullet.

You're expecting a guy who cared so little about his passengers he was one of the first off his ship to honour kill himself. :rolleyes:

This guy is probably going to jail for awhile though.

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Key word in my post: "If"

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The captain never leaves the ship before the rest of the passengers and crew are off. This guy is hardly worthy of the title Captain. That rock stuck in the side of the ship is 4x the size of my office!!!!

Complete human error and this tragedy could have been avoided.

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I also fault cruise ships in general. Many are as top-heavy as a WW2 Jap aircraft carrier.

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I also fault cruise ships in general. Many are as top-heavy as a WW2 Jap aircraft carrier.

So if it wasn't top heavy it would have just bounced off the rock?

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So if it wasn't top heavy it would have just bounced off the rock?

It wouldn't have capsized.

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It wouldn't have capsized.

That's like saying if the Titanic didn't hit the Iceberg it wouldn't have sank. :rolleyes:

If this captain wasn't being a showboat idiot this wouldn't have happened.

Then again. . .

This could have also been a contributing factor

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088361/Costa-Concordia-Titanic-theme-tune-played-onboard-cruise-ship-started-sink.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

They said survivors of the disaster were 'astonished' by the eerie coincidence which saw them listening to Celine Dion's hit My Heart Will Go On as the cruise ship began to founder.

The song was made internationally famous in 1997 as the theme of James Cameron’s epic movie about the 1912 sinking of the Titanic, starring Leonardo Di Caprio and Kate Winslet.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088361/Costa-Concordia-Titanic-theme-tune-played-onboard-cruise-ship-started-sink.html#ixzz1jpNRtXXB

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It's a fact that many cruise ships are way overweight in the upper superstructure. 10+ decks above the main deck, etc. I've already blamed the captain...but I'm just saying this is a fault with these ships. They will want to roll if flooding compartments doesn't work...often not an option in a cruise ship with thousands of passengers.

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The captain never leaves the ship before the rest of the passengers and crew are off. This guy is hardly worthy of the title Captain. That rock stuck in the side of the ship is 4x the size of my office!!!!

Complete human error and this tragedy could have been avoided.

As for error you are correct.

But the Captain can leave the ship before some passengers. Maritime law soes not say women and children first nor does it say the Cpt goes down with the ship.

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It's a fact that many cruise ships are way overweight in the upper superstructure. 10+ decks above the main deck, etc. I've already blamed the captain...but I'm just saying this is a fault with these ships. They will want to roll if flooding compartments doesn't work...often not an option in a cruise ship with thousands of passengers.

Well how else to you propose having a climbing wall, wave pool, mini-putt course, basketball court, buffet restaurant, gym, two pools, as well as the bridge on the deck of a ship?

Edited by Boges

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If he's worth his hide, he'll solve this w/ a pistol and a single bullet.

He would likely shoot a bystander as he lists to one side.

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I also fault cruise ships in general. Many are as top-heavy as a WW2 Jap aircraft carrier.

According to this article, the design is indeed a factor: It shouldnt have happened how it did, Nautilus International spokesman Tony Minns [said].

Sounds as if some of the faults in the design of these new, tall megaships might now be addressed.

But the Captain can leave the ship before some passengers. Maritime law soes not say women and children first nor does it say the Cpt goes down with the ship.

According to this article, Article 1097 of Italy's Maritime Law says: "If the commander does not leave last, he risks two years in jail; if the vessel is lost 2-8 years; if the boat is used to carry people - 3-12 years."

I can't imagine that the captain isn't in legal trouble, and I would think that he would find it rather difficult to live with his decision/actions.

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The captain has claimed that when the ship listed heavily he fell into the water and could not physically get back on deck. The trial will tell the true story.

It is also claimed that the reason they hit the rocks off the town of Giglio was that one of the officers is from this tiny town and the Captain thought it would be fun to run the ship closer to give his shipmate a better look.

"Hey, I can see my house"

SMASH

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The captain has claimed that when the ship listed heavily he fell into the water and could not physically get back on deck.

Apparently he "tripped and fell into a life boat."

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According to this article, Article 1097 of Italy's Maritime Law says: "If the commander does not leave last, he risks two years in jail; if the vessel is lost 2-8 years; if the boat is used to carry people - 3-12 years."

I can't imagine that the captain isn't in legal trouble, and I would think that he would find it rather difficult to live with his decision/actions.

Internatl Maritime Law supercedes that.

Anyhow, here is an ionteeresting article that helpos explain the myths of Capt going down with the ship, the women and children first stuff.

Good short read.

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Internatl Maritime Law supercedes that.

Even the ship was in Italian waters, not international waters?

Edited to add- don't think you included a link.

At any rate, it's not about 'women and children," but "passengers" - many who are elderly - and the captain's responsibility regarding their safety.

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Human error? No

Human negligence? Yup

This dude is going to be in jail for quite some time I think...

Good link American Woman....

From the link provided:

...Jans-Uwe Schroder-Hinrichs, the head of the maritime safety and environmental administration programme at the World Maritime University in Sweden and a former master mariner, says that it is understood within the industry that captain needs to stay on board to direct the evacuation.

"How would a captain fulfil his obligations if he was not on board? Emergency responses are nearly almost always co-ordinated from the ship - you have fairly limited options for getting necessary information from a lifeboat," he says.

There is also the question of Italian common law. In Italy, a captain who abandons his ship before it sinks, while passengers are still aboard, may faces charges for failing in their duty of care, Mr Phillips says.

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Human error? No

Human negligence? Yup

This dude is going to be in jail for quite some time I think...

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets anything above the minimum required under law. Surely part of his defense will be that the other officers on board bear some responsibility in that they followed the captain's orders to venture too close to shore. Actually, I think other officers should have been charged along with the captain.

From the link provided:

There is also the question of Italian common law. In Italy, a captain who abandons his ship before it sinks, while passengers are still aboard, may faces charges for failing in their duty of care, Mr Phillips says.

Taken literally, the ship did not sink as, for example, the Titanic did. It ran aground and toppled over, but it did not sink.

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Even the ship was in Italian waters, not international waters?

Shipping is weird with laws, the flag of operation (As in Liberia) and so on.

Edited to add- don't think you included a link.

At any rate, it's not about 'women and children," but "passengers" - many who are elderly - and the captain's responsibility regarding their safety.

Yes I did m sorry about that......

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/01/costa_concordia_sinking_what_s_the_etiquette_for_abandoning_ship_.html

It will explain better than I can.

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Shipping is weird with laws, the flag of operation (As in Liberia) and so on.

Yes I did m sorry about that......

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/01/costa_concordia_sinking_what_s_the_etiquette_for_abandoning_ship_.html

It will explain better than I can.

Even according to that link, though:

...it’s possible that Captain Francesco Schettino failed in his duty to his passengers. The International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea requires the captain to exercise his professional judgment to protect passenger safety, and most maritime experts would agree that presence on the ship is a prerequisite for fulfilling that obligation.
Some nations, such as Italy, Greece, and Spain have laws requiring the captain to remain on the ship to evacuate passengers
, although these are rarely enforced and don’t specify exactly when the captain is permitted to leave.*

*Correction, Jan. 18, 2012: This article originally omitted information on laws in Italy and other countries that require the captain to remain on the ship to evacuate passengers.

Interesting article, though; thanks for the link.

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Scettino was in a photo today in handcuffs and being escorted to a courtroom by the cops.

That generally means legal trouble, and he is being held in custody as he is seen as a flight risk.

Maybe they are worried he might swim away again.

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Interesting that another captain, who happened to be on the boat, did stay and help direct the evacuation. He's seen as a hero in Italy.

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The captain has claimed that when the ship listed heavily he fell into the water and could not physically get back on deck. The trial will tell the true story.

It is also claimed that the reason they hit the rocks off the town of Giglio was that one of the officers is from this tiny town and the Captain thought it would be fun to run the ship closer to give his shipmate a better look.

"Hey, I can see my house"

SMASH

This is what I heard too, and there is no reason for the ship to have taken the route it did. It was way off course. What a stupid man.

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