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The Harper Government, Sun Media and EthicalOil.org

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Emma Pullman just posted an interesting article about how Stephen Harper's Conservatives are driving the dialogue about the oil industry in Canada. She highlights the connections between EthicalOil.org, SUN media, and the Harper Government, bringing in to relief a propaganda machine that is shaping the discourse in this country.

Friends with Benefits: The Harper Government, EthicalOil.org and Sun Media Connection

Just over a week before the Northern Gateway Pipeline hearings began, EthicalOil.org and its allies launched a pre-emptive PR offensive on environmental and First Nations groups who oppose the pipeline. Their new website, OurDecision.ca, and ad campaign are an attempt to invalidate opposition to the pipeline by pointing to the small amount of American funding going to some environmental groups, and claiming that pipeline opponents are actually the “puppets” of “foreign interests.”

Continued: http://www.desmogblog.com/friends-benefits-harper-government-ethicaloil-org-and-sun-media-connection

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Yeesh.

This is the only forum I know that allows you to type a thread title in that's longer than allowed.

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And what about the native groups in BC that have been paid big money by outside organizations to fight against the pipeline.

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That's what the link is about. Maybe you should read it then come back and try replying again.

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And what about the native groups in BC that have been paid big money by outside organizations to fight against the pipeline.

citation request

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It is a vast conspiracy of bad newspapers that nobody beyond Grade 4 literacy reads, plus Ezra Levant and his Visa card.

Should I be afraid?

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Should I be afraid?

of the truth? I've been Harping on this same theme for a while now... starting with the Harper Conservative covert actions in attempting to influence the European Union fuel quality standards in regards non-conventional fuel sources (i.e., tarsands bitumen), and highlighting the ties between the 'Ethical Oil' group and Alykan Velshi... the convenient Conservative staffer wanderer shifting in and out as the official 'Ethical Oil' spokesperson... now returned back to the fold, back to the PMO as Harper's Director of Planning.

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Somebody needs to be an advocate for Canada, and our energy reserves. Which are certainly more ethical than most of the other oil producing countries. It's about damn time!

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Somebody needs to be an advocate for Canada, and our energy reserves. Which are certainly more ethical than most of the other oil producing countries. It's about damn time!

embrace the Harper Conservative covert actions, revel in them... ethics? :lol:

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My view is, people in both Canada and the US should be very concerned about the pipeline route and because the oil industry or the government can't guarantee 100% that no oil will harm the environment and the tankers won't cause a problem. The other problem is selling the oil to China. Harper, himself talked about human rights there and yet he's willing to take their money, blood money. Why won't the Canadian oil industry build oil refineries here and maybe give Canadians reduced prices on the gasoline?

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No Government or organization can guarantee 100% no spills or breakage in pipelines. However, the latest designs cover every foot of pipeline and report any problems immediately. The problems that we have experienced in pipeline problems have come from acts of sabotage by so called enviromentalist. Alberta oil from the tar sands has a lower carbon emission discharge then oil from Venuzala which is transported by ship to the USA.The difference in co2 emissions between Alberta tar sands and OPEC is less then 2%. If you look at who is paying for this pipeline from being built , you will find that it is Money supplied by Saudia Arabia and Venuzala. Canada is Ethical oil and Canadians should be backing the Canadian Government instead on daming them.

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I don't think it's very ethical or bright to ship such a strategic raw material to countries that will refine or use the finished products in an unethical way with regards to the planets's ecosystem's and human and labour rights and standards or in a manner that undermines our own economy.

That oil reserves are shrinking only underscores the shortsightedness of digging it up and shipping it out as fast as we can. At some point we're going to have to conserve whatever we have for our own future generations.

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There's threads about the oil lines already. This thread is about the Conservative propaganda machine that has been uncovered.

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There's threads about the oil lines already. This thread is about the Conservative propaganda machine that has been uncovered.
Huh?

Stephen Harper has a propaganda machine? Why doesn't he use it to make people pay taxes?

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Seriously, Cybercoma. If the corporate mass media "propaganda machine" can control our thoughts, why can't the State use "the machine" to make people pay taxes?

Toilet paper, taxes, Big Macs. What's the difference? It's just money, and people are fools - with the right advertising, they'll give their credit card number/buy anything. No?

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What a very strange post... if advertising wasn't effective, why would companies spend money millions on it?

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What a very strange post... if advertising wasn't effective, why would companies spend money millions on it?
Uh, I just wondered why if money/advertising was so effective (as the Left believes), why doesn't the State use advertising to convince everyone (including the rich) to pay taxes?

According to the Left and Hollywood, anyone can be convinced to do/buy anything. So, why not convince people to pay taxes?

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Nevertheless, cybercoma, you raise a good question: Why do women spend so much time/money on lipstick? (What did Obama say? You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig... )

Cybercoma, I suggest that you think more deeply about this question. I'll help you in your thoughts.

First, it takes talent to pick/put lipstick. (Believe me, it does.)

Second, it takes money to advertise.

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Cybercoma, I suggest that you think more deeply about this question. I'll help you in your thoughts.
I appreciate the offer, but I'll pass. You may want to think more deeply about this though.

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I appreciate the offer, but I'll pass. You may want to think more deeply about this though.
Surely, if you're a Leftist in a democracy, it is worth thinking about how to make people pay taxes.

Advertising makes people buy Big Macs, no?

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Uh, I just wondered why if money/advertising was so effective (as the Left believes), why doesn't the State use advertising to convince everyone (including the rich) to pay taxes?

I'm not sure where you're coming from but I'm guessing it's because it's cheaper to just fine people/throw them in jail if they don't pay taxes?

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Did I not see some blabbering blonde ditz (and a spokeswoman for Ethical Oil) last week on Power and Politics,( no doubt from the Chicago School of Business North division(the University of Calgary School of Business))yammering on and on about how anyone standing against this decision was standing against hard working Canadians AND that they should be ashamed of themselves??

And then this person did'nt have the guts to come clean when asked if Ethical Oil took money from Enbridge???

Did I not see that?

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There's threads about the oil lines already. This thread is about the Conservative propaganda machine that has been uncovered.

Uncovered how? By a garbage blog filled with speculation, heresay, and coincidences? This blog is probably hosted on Saudi servers. :lol:

Every message gets funding from somewhere. Welcome to reality.

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The problems that we have experienced in pipeline problems have come from acts of sabotage by so called enviromentalist.

please support your assertion that all pipeline 'problems' result from, as you describe, "environmental sabotage"?

Alberta oil from the tar sands has a lower carbon emission discharge then oil from Venuzala which is transported by ship to the USA.

please support your claim in regards to U.S. imports of Venezuelan oil, conventional versus heavy crude, as compared to Alberta tar sands.

The difference in co2 emissions between Alberta tar sands and OPEC is less then 2%.

please provide the comparative wheel-to-wheel and wheel-to-tank emission levels to support your claim.

If you look at who is paying for this pipeline from being built , you will find that it is Money supplied by Saudia Arabia and Venuzala.

notwithstanding your vague (missing) attachments identifying the entities within Saudi Arabia & Venezuela, please support your claim that Saudia Arabian and Venezuelan "money" is, as you say, "paying for this pipeline from being built".

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Did I not see some blabbering blonde ditz (and a spokeswoman for Ethical Oil) last week on Power and Politics,( no doubt from the Chicago School of Business North division(the University of Calgary School of Business))yammering on and on about how anyone standing against this decision was standing against hard working Canadians AND that they should be ashamed of themselves??

And then this person did'nt have the guts to come clean when asked if Ethical Oil took money from Enbridge???

Did I not see that?

yes - yes you did

with the 'Ethical Oil' group losing it's official spokesperson Alykan Velshi back to the PMO as Harper's Director of Planning, a new 'Ethical Oil' spokesperson has surfaced, Kathryn Marshall... clearly, as can be seen from this video, she'll need a bit more "grooming" - starting at around the 4:50 point, she is asked no less than 9 times by CBC's Solomon to clarify if Enbridge is financing 'Ethical Oil'. Why, her patent refusal to even acknowledge the question, begs another one: is 'Ethical Oil' the astroturf arm of Enbridge?

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yes - yes you did

Yeah, she was rather an idiot.

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