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#1 jbg

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 03:40 PM

The article, linked and excerpted below, demonstrates how I believe that Muslim, Christian and Jewish communities should come together. The effort detailed below does not involved any government forced or funded "multicultural" exercise. It came from a felt desire within the community to find common ground, on a human basis. It is these kinds of efforts that create unity within communities

Ultimately, it could become the template for Middle East peace; start at the human level, build confidence, and then the exact location of borders does not matter. If words on a piece of paper are the only basis for peace, peace will not occur. Muslims and Jews; neither are inherently better or worse than each other. But until a way is found to do what's being done below, on a world basis, there will never be justice, or peace.

Pleasantville synagogue, Thornwood mosque members will break bread in fundraiser (link, excerpts below)

PLEASANTVILLE — If the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach, then how could a homemade dinner featuring chicken haleem with biryani and kasha varnishkas and gefilte fish keep the Jewish and Muslim communities apart?

“I am most looking forward to some Muslim cooking,” joked Rabbi Mark Sameth, of the Pleasantville Community Synagogue, talking about an interfaith dinner organized by Under One Roof, a charity founded by members of the synagogue and the Upper Westchester Muslim Society Mosque in Thornwood. The dinner, to be held on Sunday, is devoted exclusively to the two communities and is not open to the public.

Close to 80 members of the mosque and synagogue are expected to attend the event, a fundraiser for two international nonprofits. The proceeds will go to the Israel-based Birthday Angels, which provides birthday parties for orphans — both Arab and Israeli, and to support the work of Dr. Hawa Abdi in Somalia, who created a refugee camp for battered women and children.

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“There is a common perception that the two communities do not see eye-to-eye,” said Dr. Mahjabeen Hassan, a plastic surgeon who moved to the United States in
1977 from Pakistan. “Many people feel there is so much baggage there that things can never change. But that’s a very negative way of thinking.”

Hassan, a Pleasantville resident for more than 25 years, said that “writing books” and “being on TV” cannot achieve as much as sitting down for a meal together can. The Thornwood mosque draws people from many countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh, India and Turkey, she said.

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“To me, if we are living in a multicultural society, then we should not be staying w ithin our culture or religion,” said Mumtaz, whose husband, Aamir Mumtaz, is the president of the board of the Upper Westchester Muslim Society Mosque. “We should be mingling with others, and getting to know each other.”

Rabbi Sameth said the group was formed because the community felt the need for it from within.

“It’s not a top-down relationship,” said Sameth, meaning it wasn’t initiated by the clergy or others in positions of power. “It bubbled up from within the two communities. Friendships are growing, relationships are growing and we are helping others.”

Rabbi Mark Sameth of the Pleasantville Community Synagogue and Dr. Hassan of the Upper Westchester Muslim Society in Thornwood pose Jan. 19, 2012 at the Community Synagogue in Pleasantville with a cookbook that will be sold at an interfaith dinner. The dinner will benefit Birthday Angels, which provides birthday parties for orphans in Israel, and to support the work of Dr. Hawa Abdi in Somalia, who created a refugee camp for battered women and children. / Joe Larese/The Journal News (image in article)


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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:49 PM

The article, linked and excerpted below, demonstrates how I believe that Muslim, Christian and Jewish communities should come together. The effort detailed below does not involved any government forced or funded "multicultural" exercise. It came from a felt desire within the community to find common ground, on a human basis. It is these kinds of efforts that create unity within communities

Ultimately, it could become the template for Middle East peace; start at the human level, build confidence, and then the exact location of borders does not matter. If words on a piece of paper are the only basis for peace, peace will not occur. Muslims and Jews; neither are inherently better or worse than each other. But until a way is found to do what's being done below, on a world basis, there will never be justice, or peace.

Pleasantville synagogue, Thornwood mosque members will break bread in fundraiser (link, excerpts below)

PLEASANTVILLE — If the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach, then how could a homemade dinner featuring chicken haleem with biryani and kasha varnishkas and gefilte fish keep the Jewish and Muslim communities apart?

“I am most looking forward to some Muslim cooking,” joked Rabbi Mark Sameth, of the Pleasantville Community Synagogue, talking about an interfaith dinner organized by Under One Roof, a charity founded by members of the synagogue and the Upper Westchester Muslim Society Mosque in Thornwood. The dinner, to be held on Sunday, is devoted exclusively to the two communities and is not open to the public.

Close to 80 members of the mosque and synagogue are expected to attend the event, a fundraiser for two international nonprofits. The proceeds will go to the Israel-based Birthday Angels, which provides birthday parties for orphans — both Arab and Israeli, and to support the work of Dr. Hawa Abdi in Somalia, who created a refugee camp for battered women and children.

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“There is a common perception that the two communities do not see eye-to-eye,” said Dr. Mahjabeen Hassan, a plastic surgeon who moved to the United States in
1977 from Pakistan. “Many people feel there is so much baggage there that things can never change. But that’s a very negative way of thinking.”

Hassan, a Pleasantville resident for more than 25 years, said that “writing books” and “being on TV” cannot achieve as much as sitting down for a meal together can. The Thornwood mosque draws people from many countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh, India and Turkey, she said.

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“To me, if we are living in a multicultural society, then we should not be staying w ithin our culture or religion,” said Mumtaz, whose husband, Aamir Mumtaz, is the president of the board of the Upper Westchester Muslim Society Mosque. “We should be mingling with others, and getting to know each other.”

Rabbi Sameth said the group was formed because the community felt the need for it from within.

“It’s not a top-down relationship,” said Sameth, meaning it wasn’t initiated by the clergy or others in positions of power. “It bubbled up from within the two communities. Friendships are growing, relationships are growing and we are helping others.”

Rabbi Mark Sameth of the Pleasantville Community Synagogue and Dr. Hassan of the Upper Westchester Muslim Society in Thornwood pose Jan. 19, 2012 at the Community Synagogue in Pleasantville with a cookbook that will be sold at an interfaith dinner. The dinner will benefit Birthday Angels, which provides birthday parties for orphans in Israel, and to support the work of Dr. Hawa Abdi in Somalia, who created a refugee camp for battered women and children. / Joe Larese/The Journal News (image in article)

It will never work.

The Israelis have a hate hard on for anything not Jewish.
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 09:19 PM

It will never work.

The Israelis have a hate hard on for anything not Jewish.

Are you saying it's not worth a try?
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 09:35 PM

Are you saying it's not worth a try?

Peace requires equal participation. The Israelis have been faking interest for 60 years. What makes you think they are interested in making any compromises, especially since their complaints are race based.
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 09:46 PM

Peace requires equal participation. The Israelis have been faking interest for 60 years. What makes you think they are interested in making any compromises, especially since their complaints are race based.

The alternative to peace through human contact is peace through conquest. Which is better?
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 10:05 PM

The alternative to peace through human contact is peace through conquest. Which is better?

Depends. But to a nation that instigates discord and injustice, and continuous undermines any peace effort, conquest would be a more effective route.

Drawing from the Haudenosaunee Law whose society is built on the concepts of Peace, Power and Righteousness (if I got this right they are inseparable) their laws provide:

88. When the proposition to establish the Great Peace is
made to a foreign nation it shall be done in mutual council.
The foreign nation is to be persuaded by reason and urged to
come into the Great Peace. If the Five Nations fail to obtain
the consent of the nation at the first council a second council
shall be held and upon a second failure a third council shall
be held and this third council shall end the peaceful methods
of persuasion. At the third council the War Chief of the Five
nations shall address the Chief of the foreign nation and
request him three times to accept the Great Peace. If refusal
steadfastly follows the War Chief shall let the bunch of white
lake shells drop from his outstretched hand to the ground and
shall bound quickly forward and club the offending chief to
death. War shall thereby be declared and the War Chief shall
have his warriors at his back to meet any emergency. War must
continue until the contest is won by the Five Nations.


The Constitution of the Iroquois (Haudenosaunee) Nations

They certainly don't play around with offending nations.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 08:52 PM

What a nice story...

Baby steps will get us headed towards a peaceful future. Hope this sort of thing spreads.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 09:26 PM

What a nice story...

Baby steps will get us headed towards a peaceful future. Hope this sort of thing spreads.

I hope so too. The dinner didn't happen; hopefully just because of snow. I went and found no one there. Will keep you posted. (Edit, looks like it was moved and held elsewhere).

Edited by jbg, 22 January 2012 - 09:27 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 08:44 AM

Peace requires equal participation. The Israelis have been faking interest for 60 years. What makes you think they are interested in making any compromises, especially since their complaints are race based.


That's like saying that the natives in Canada have been faking interest in their own success for 100 years.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 11:00 AM

Are you saying it's not worth a try?

It is......but once the gefilte fish comes out and they try it .....all bets are off.

Gefilte fish? Really?
Its like the Muslims serving tongue


There is good matzoh soup for heaven sake.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 06:34 PM

jbg, i think this is fantastic. Every community should have this. What's wrong with everyone doing this once every month or 2?
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 08:44 PM

jbg, i think this is fantastic. Every community should have this. What's wrong with everyone doing this once every month or 2?

Agreed.

And frankly this is the way to create Israeli-Arab peace. A lot like the way U.S.-Canadian peace was created despite the extreme cultural differences.
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 10:13 AM

Peace requires equal participation. The Israelis have been faking interest for 60 years. What makes you think they are interested in making any compromises, especially since their complaints are race based.



That's one obviously unbiased opinion.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:50 AM

All over the Islamic world we see murderous sectarian conflict. There have been fatwas and murders for centuries between Islamic sects. There are Muslims that will kill for honor if a member of one sect marries or cohabits or even dates one from another sect.

Islam's base is conquer or convert. I believe the Koran so stipulates.

I maintain as things now stand Islam is incompatible with Western political,cultural, religious, secular or our judicial laws that may be interpreted (by SOME Muslim) as in conflict with their political religion. For a clearly Political religion it most certainly is!

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:54 AM

All over the Islamic world we see murderous sectarian conflict. There have been fatwas and murders for centuries between Islamic sects. There are Muslims that will kill for honor if a member of one sect marries or cohabits or even dates one from another sect.

Islam's base is conquer or convert. I believe the Koran so stipulates.

I maintain as things now stand Islam is incompatible with Western political,cultural, religious, secular or our judicial laws that may be interpreted (by SOME Muslim) as in conflict with their political religion. For a clearly Political religion it most certainly is!


All of these points have been discussed here in the past. It's kind of frustrating for us to start at point zero with these discussions over and over again.

You have an opinion on this, and we're unlikely to change that. Maybe we can jump ahead to this question:

What do you want the rest of us to do with your opinion ? What would you like to do ?



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