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[cybercoma]

Um....unsure what planet you live on but here on earth , the rate for a homeowner vs the single family rented dwelling is exactly the same.

You pay the same as a condo dweller , rental house, homeowner living in the same taxation zone.

It depends where you live. Fredericton, NB, for example, charges landlords a higher property tax rate on rented dwellings. In fact, it's almost double.

[cybercoma]

Putting aside the fact Scotty said "let them go", not "push them off", what Acadian or Black Loyalist was sent away to live in a slum (in contemporary, not modern, terms) and pick through garbage? What Black Loyalist was ever forced out of the British colonies in the Canadas at all?
[ed.: sp.]

They chose to go to Sierra Leone because they just weren't "feelin' it" here in Canada.

[huh]

One mans freeedom fighter is another mans terrorist I suppose, but then if some people in this country decide to carry out an 'uprising' of some sort i suppose other people could be equally justified in putting down that uprising, weather it be the government representing the majority or the public at large.

Lets say the government increased spending by 20 percent and in return completely washed its hands of the native people, in other words here's your money, live well. If that worked out i think everyone would agree it was worth the extra spending just to put this issue to bed, but what if it didn't? Could we then look at those in charge, the native leadership, and ask them why they couldn't make it work? Or would we still be stuck in this forever cycle of blaming the government for now giving them what they have always wanted?

[guyser]

It depends where you live. Fredericton, NB, for example, charges landlords a higher property tax rate on rented dwellings. In fact, it's almost double.

I will edit for TO.

Wow, that rate is ridiculous for Fredericton. I would love to hear them explain how one house , owned, uses more taxes than the neighbours house which is rented. Seems really dumb to me !

[g_bambino]

They chose to go to Sierra Leone because they just weren't "feelin' it" here in Canada.

Yes, I know. How does this relate to Scotty's implied question, though? How can one say any First Nations have nothing left to lose when there are people in the world with less, both economically and socially, than any First Nation in Canada?

[TimG]

I would love to hear them explain how one house , owned, uses more taxes than the neighbours house which is rented. Seems really dumb to me !

It has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with votes. People who own rental properties are 'rich' and therefore can afford to pay more. Vancouver does the same with commercial properties: tax rates that have no connection with usage but allow the politicians to keep the home owners who vote happy.

[Scotty]

It depends where you live. Fredericton, NB, for example, charges landlords a higher property tax rate on rented dwellings. In fact, it's almost double.

That is also the situation here in Ottawa.

[guyser]

Vancouver does the same with commercial properties: tax rates that have no connection with usage but allow the politicians to keep the home owners who vote happy.

Commercial properties are a whole 'nother ball game and has nothing to do with rich or not.

In fact most rental dwelling owners are not rich and anyone who pegs that as the reason would be slightly loonie.

[Scotty]

Yes, I know. How does this relate to Scotty's implied question, though? How can one say any First Nations have nothing left to lose when there are people in the world with less, both economically and socially, than any First Nation in Canada?

Not less. Far less. Not only do they have often have no freedom to speak of, but no government assistance or guarantees for food or shelter at all. It's a hardscrabble existence, to say the least. And if you don't make it, then you die, and no one in official circles is going to care, much less cry that you weren't provided with a nice house and food, and education for your kids, and medical care, etc. etc.

[msj]

It has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with votes. People who own rental properties are 'rich' and therefore can afford to pay more. Vancouver does the same with commercial properties: tax rates that have no connection with usage but allow the politicians to keep the home owners who vote happy.

Yes, business owners are "rich" too and pay something like $2.30 to the $1 paid by residents where I live and do business.

[guyser]

That is also the situation here in Ottawa.

No it isnt. Do your research.

MPAC does assessments across Ontario, the rate charged for homeowners vs rental properties* are exactly the same for the same zone.





* if a rental property has 6 or more units the rules chaneg, but we have been talking about rental homes, not apt buildings or rooming houses.

[cybercoma]

Yes, I know. How does this relate to Scotty's implied question, though? How can one say any First Nations have nothing left to lose when there are people in the world with less, both economically and socially, than any First Nation in Canada?

Is that how bad it needs to get? They need to be worse off than everyone else in the world?

[cybercoma]

I went and checked the website for NB to see what the rates actually are because I don't rent out my home.

For all of NB it is "$1.4573 per $100 of valuation for 2010" and "On behalf of the Office of the Rentalsman under the Residential Tenancies Act, there is a fee of $0.0486 per $100 of assessed value imposed on residential property that is not owner-occupied and is not exempt under the Assessment Act." So it's not actually double and is a fee imposed by the Office of the Rentalsman.

That seems quite low based on anecdotal evidence because friends of ours had their property tax almost double when they began renting out their basement. Perhaps there are other fees that I'm missing.

Edited by cybercoma, 25 January 2012 - 06:08 PM.

[Scotty]

Is that how bad it needs to get? They need to be worse off than everyone else in the world?

No. Just pointing out how ludicrous your believe that they have nothing to lose is. Most of the world is worse off than natives are. And unlike natives, they don't have the option of moving to Toronto or Vancouver or Winnipeg any time they want.

[TimG]

In fact most rental dwelling owners are not rich and anyone who pegs that as the reason would be slightly loonie.

You will have to take that up with the voters in Fredriction. The fact is most lefty types do believe landlords are wealthy slumlords that victimize their tenets. I am not claiming it is a view based on reality.