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[cybercoma]

Nevermind. Those are the provincial rates. The municipalities set their own rates, based on provincial guidelines. Residential property has a $0 provincial rate (under 0.5 hectares), but the provincial rate for non-owner lived in residential property is $1.4573 per $100 + the Rentalsman fee, as well as whatever the municpalities set. Long story short. Don't buy property to rent out in NB, unless you're going to live in it. I still think our friends were embellishing how much extra they pay.

Link: http://www.gnb.ca/01...p#establishment

[cybercoma]

No. Just pointing out how ludicrous your believe that they have nothing to lose is. Most of the world is worse off than natives are. And unlike natives, they don't have the option of moving to Toronto or Vancouver or Winnipeg any time they want.

Has there been a violent revolt yet?

No?

Well, then I guess they still have something to lose.

[cybercoma]

You will have to take that up with the voters in Fredriction. The fact is most lefty types do believe landlords are wealthy slumlords that victimize their tenets. I am not claiming it is a view based on reality.

It's a provincial fee.

[g_bambino]

Is that how bad it needs to get?

You said when people have nothing left to lose they get violent. I think the point that's trying to be made is that First Nation's haven't reached the point where they've nothing left to lose; hence, the subtle threats of violence are uncalled for.

[Moonlight Graham]

However....when we combine native injustice with unresolved homelessness issues, increasing poverty, disproportionate wealth, increasing police state etc, then we have the makings of a revolution - that kind that incensed and angry mobs would burn the parliament buildings over. That can be justified as a civil remedy for failing government.

You should pick up picket signs before you pick up rifles and torches. Violence would be a last resort if their best peaceful efforts fail.

[Moonlight Graham]

When people have nothing left to lose, it will be violent and justifiably so.

Why? Egypt's uprising was fairly non-violent in their protests and look what they did.

[TimG]

Well, then I guess they still have something to lose.

Natives are engaged in a PR battle. They are trying to shape public opinion so the government will be forced to give them what they want. A violant uprising would ensure they loose that PR battle and makes no sense for them - especially when faced with a government that ignores its own laws to avoid using violance on natives (e.g. caledonia).

[charter.rights]

It is not a fact - it is your opinion based on your own limited experiences.

My opinion, based on my own limited experiences, is that I have seen a band come out of third party management and become successful.

I know because I have audited them during third party management and subsequent to third party management.

Choose to disbelieve my experience all you want.

Name the band(s). Name 10 and I'll do my own research.

However, under third party management First Nations always come out worse than when they went in and spend decades getting out of the debt and burdens that third party managers get them into. It is a FACT.

[charter.rights]

Even if you don't own land in a city you still pay municipal taxes on your rented home or apartment, and you actually pay at a higher rate than homeowners.

NOPE. At least not in Ontario (which is all that matters). Only land owners are responsible for municipal property taxes. Landlords ~may~ use some of the income they receive to pay the taxes but the burden is squarely on him or her. The renters live municipal tax free.

[charter.rights]

No it isnt. Do your research.

MPAC does assessments across Ontario, the rate charged for homeowners vs rental properties* are exactly the same for the same zone.
* if a rental property has 6 or more units the rules chaneg, but we have been talking about rental homes, not apt buildings or rooming houses.

MPAC sets the property value assessment for properties and the municipalities set the mill rate. So the tax rate can change from municipality to municipality, and vary between commercial single family residential and rental properties.

[msj]

Name the band(s). Name 10 and I'll do my own research.

However, under third party management First Nations always come out worse than when they went in and spend decades getting out of the debt and burdens that third party managers get them into. It is a FACT.

I don't need to name the band because I have already made the point.

You just don't get it yet....

Oh, but I'm sure you just know so much and the rest of us know nothing...

[charter.rights]

You should pick up picket signs before you pick up rifles and torches. Violence would be a last resort if their best peaceful efforts fail.

That depends. Peaceful protesters are morally (and may be legally) justified to fight back a violent confrontation by police that violate their rights.

The G8/G20 fallout is a good example.

[charter.rights]

Natives are engaged in a PR battle. They are trying to shape public opinion so the government will be forced to give them what they want. A violant uprising would ensure they loose that PR battle and makes no sense for them - especially when faced with a government that ignores its own laws to avoid using violance on natives (e.g. caledonia).

Nope.

If Natives were in a PR exercise they would not be protesting in that manner they have. You can certainly say the last 10 years of protests haven't helped improve the public image of Aboriginal people. However, their brand of protest has been highly successful by interrupting the economy. That in turn squeezes us and we squeeze the politicians to do something about it.

Your mention of Caledonia is another myth. No laws were skirted, and no one that committed a crime wasn't charged. In fact there were many charges laid over the protests on both sides, and many of the protesters from both sides received conditional discharges. What most people (and that would include you now you have shown your hand) miss is that our Charter Rights are held higher than domestic law. The duty of the police in protests is to keep the peace, avoid inciting a riot by making rash arrests, and record and catalog the event for future evaluation and charges. That not only happened in Caledonia but at Tyendinaga, Akwesasne and Brantford. At the end of the day justice was properly served and the police act in a reasonable manner.

[charter.rights]

I don't need to name the band because I have already made the point.

You just don't get it yet....

Oh, but I'm sure you just know so much and the rest of us know nothing...

No. You made an insinuation based on a false premise - otherwise known as a fallacy argument. It has no merit until you make the proper citation, or decline your point. Backing up your claims is part of the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed up. Get with the program or admit your assumption.

Edited by charter.rights, 25 January 2012 - 08:43 PM.

[msj]

No. You made an insinuation based on a false premise - otherwise known as a fallacy argument. It has no merit until you make the proper citation, or decline your point. Backing up your claims is part of the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed up. Get with the program or admit your assumption.

I'll decline my point when you decline yours.

Backup your own claims, hypocrite.

Admit your own assumption.

Oh, and stop changing the goal posts while you're at it.