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[Topaz]

I found a interesting video and I can see with reports coming out of Davos that the path to One world Order and One world currency has started. Watch the video and see if you agree or not agree. BTW, one of Tory's PR guys even talked about Harper going to Davos and the One world Order on CTV. http://ca.video.sear...one world order

[Shady]

BTW, one of Tory's PR guys even talked about Harper going to Davos and the One world Order on CTV.

Omg, a PR guy even talked about Harper going to Davos! Holy crap!

[sharkman]

So Topaz, is OWO a good or bad thing.

[Topaz]

So Topaz, is OWO a good or bad thing.

That's a very good question and I would think if it was GOOD wouldn't nations come out and talk about it openly? So by the video, its ONE currency for the whole world, so what happens when they switch to the new. Do all present currency become worthless? So many questions and no answers, just secrets.

[Topaz]

Omg, a PR guy even talked about Harper going to Davos! Holy crap!

You missed the point, it wasn't going to Davos, we knew that he was, it was the point he said Harper was going there and talk about the new world order.

[Michael Hardner]

OWO is happening anyway, as business moves across borders and demands that legislative framework is in place to support their activities. Everything will flow from that, as all social movements flow with economics.

[eyeball]

OWO is happening anyway, as business moves across borders and demands that legislative framework is in place to support their activities. Everything will flow from that, as all social movements flow with economics.

What social movement?

The OWO is for the benefit of corporations people not human beings.

Edited by eyeball, 27 January 2012 - 10:12 AM.

[eyeball]

So is the OWO really the common name for this supra or extra-national economic bureaucracy with more interconnected revolving doors spinning round each other than a Swiss watch has gears?

Is it the 1%, or something more like the Borg or just the invisible hand rolled up into a fist? Political scientist Benjamin Barber coined the term McWorld maybe that's it.

[Michael Hardner]

What social movement?

Any social movement, I submit, happens in an economic context.

[eyeball]

Any social movement, I submit, happens in an economic context.

I think that's a two way street and the economy happens in a social context. If anything the street is uphill and society is labouring to push the economy ahead of it. The fact that both are equally dependent on the planet's ecosystems clinches this twinned relationship.

In any case I think the movement towards one planet-wide system of governance is inevitable but whether it will be a human driven or capital thing is still up in the air. That the planet's environment is still viewed by capital as something that's superficial and external to the planet's economy doesn't bode well.

Edited by eyeball, 27 January 2012 - 11:47 AM.

[Michael Hardner]

In any case I think the movement towards one planet-wide system of governance is inevitable but whether it will be a human driven or capital thing is still up in the air.

They're interwoven into a magical tapestry. Globalization brings countries like China, India and Russia closer to us economically and socially.

We don't need to pass a good/bad judgement on globalization, and it's pointless to do so anyway. It's not going to go away soon. We can look at all of the effects and see how we can amplify those that we like.

[eyeball]

They're interwoven into a magical tapestry. Globalization brings countries like China, India and Russia closer to us economically and socially.

It also seems to bring us closer to them environmentally and autocratically.

We don't need to pass a good/bad judgement on globalization, and it's pointless to do so anyway. It's not going to go away soon. We can look at all of the effects and see how we can amplify those that we like.

And ignore the one's we don't like at our peril?

[dre]

They're interwoven into a magical tapestry. Globalization brings countries like China, India and Russia closer to us economically and socially.

We don't need to pass a good/bad judgement on globalization, and it's pointless to do so anyway. It's not going to go away soon. We can look at all of the effects and see how we can amplify those that we like.

Actually thats entirely unclear. Voluntary trade between nations has gone on for thousands of years and will continue. Its not new and modern free trade agreement were not required for it to happen. But what a lot of people consider "globalization" today is the trend we have seen in the last 30 years where large consumer markets are offshoring production. This trend is by its very nature a temporary thing. Its pretty easy to see why an arrangement where massive ammounts of real goods flow from one countrie to another and nothing flows back in the other direction besides printed bits of paper isnt going to last very long.

Two things are going to happen. First of all youre going to see a correction in the value of national legal tender (fiat currency), and all the countries playing this game are going to see significantly diminished purchasing power. Diminished puraching power means domestic goods get cheaper and imported goods get more expensive. If the Chinese allowed their currency to float, then already goods from China would be almost %300 as expensive, and production dedicated to supplying western consumer markets would already be returning. The second thing is that energy costs are increasing, about 8-10% per year, and a gigantic ammount of energy is expended moving all these goods around the global.

Think about it. Once all these adjustments happen do you really think its going to make sense for someone in Vancouver to eat snow peas grown in China? They will cost MORE than ones grown in BC. If China stopped its currency peg, they would already disappear from the shelves.

I predict the opposite trend. I think that once wages equalize, currency values adjust, and energy costs continue to rise over the next couple of decades, that we are going to see a rebirth of THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

People should know better than to take a 30 year trend (one that has brought the global economy to the brink of collapse, and resulted in massive global debt to future generations) and suddenly declare this is a permanent sea change. I bet the Romans thought that too, when they were importing all their food and goods from all over the empire with ever depreciating dollars.

[Michael Hardner]

Actually thats entirely unclear. Voluntary trade between nations has gone on for thousands of years and will continue. Its not new and modern free trade agreement were not required for it to happen. But what a lot of people consider "globalization" today is the trend we have seen in the last 30 years where large consumer markets are offshoring production. This trend is by its very nature a temporary thing. Its pretty easy to see why an arrangement where massive ammounts of real goods flow from one countrie to another and nothing flows back in the other direction besides printed bits of paper isnt going to last very long.

It's a temporary thing because the large global economic disparity is new. Globalization will work to even this out.

Two things are going to happen. First of all youre going to see a correction in the value of national legal tender (fiat currency), and all the countries playing this game are going to see significantly diminished purchasing power. Diminished puraching power means domestic goods get cheaper and imported goods get more expensive. If the Chinese allowed their currency to float, then already goods from China would be almost %300 as expensive, and production dedicated to supplying western consumer markets would already be returning. The second thing is that energy costs are increasing, about 8-10% per year, and a gigantic ammount of energy is expended moving all these goods around the global.

Whenever we go to this, I don't understand. Does this mean the price of Chinese exports will rise or fall ?

Think about it. Once all these adjustments happen do you really think its going to make sense for someone in Vancouver to eat snow peas grown in China? They will cost MORE than ones grown in BC. If China stopped its currency peg, they would already disappear from the shelves.

See question above.

I predict the opposite trend. I think that once wages equalize, currency values adjust, and energy costs continue to rise over the next couple of decades, that we are going to see a rebirth of THE LOCAL ECONOMY.

Yes, I agree that this will happen eventually.

People should know better than to take a 30 year trend (one that has brought the global economy to the brink of collapse, and resulted in massive global debt to future generations) and suddenly declare this is a permanent sea change. I bet the Romans thought that too, when they were importing all their food and goods from all over the empire with ever depreciating dollars.

Things will eventually settle, and the sea change will be complete with China as a 1st world nation.

[Michael Hardner]

And ignore the one's we don't like at our peril?

Of course not. But the answer isn't to turn back the clock. It's not going to happen.

We can do our part by publicizing and discussing the negative effects. That's all we should have to do.