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[punked]

The Alberta government does not have to fund abortions though. Danielle Smith says her government would not delist funding for abortions but a citizen led referendum could.

They can't delist it, it is a Charter right. They would lose a Charter Challenge easy. This is why PEI and NB pay for abortions

Morgentaler et al. v. Her Majesty The Queen 1988

Edited by punked, 15 April 2012 - 12:42 PM.

[dpwozney]

It means they will only be available to those that can afford it.

Emergency medical services or ambulance services are delisted, and emergency medical services or ambulance services are still available to those who cannot afford it, at the time.

Delisting abortion services does not mean that abortion services would no longer be safe and available to those who cannot afford it, at the time.

[punked]

Emergency medical services or ambulance services are delisted, and emergency medical services or ambulance services are still available to those who cannot afford it, at the time.

Delisting abortion services does not mean that abortion services would no longer be safe and available to those who cannot afford it, at the time.

Again abortion has been ruled to be a Charter right. It is one of only a few Medicare services to be ruled a charter right.

Are you saying the Wildrose Party will not honor the rights which are outlined in our charter because I think that would be a huge deal.

Edited by punked, 15 April 2012 - 01:32 PM.

[dpwozney]

Are you saying the Wildrose Party will not honor the rights which are outlined in our charter because I think that would be a huge deal.

I don’t speak for the “Wildrose Party”, nor am I speaking for the “Wildrose Party”.

However, according to CBC News, “Wildrose Leader Danielle Smith said she has absolutely no intention of legislating on abortion, and that includes delisting”.

Edited by dpwozney, 15 April 2012 - 01:48 PM.

[punked]

I don’t speak for the “Wildrose Party”, nor am I speaking for the “Wildrose Party”.

Well if you think they can delist abortion then you think they can violate other charter rights as well?

[dpwozney]

Well if you think they can delist abortion then you think they can violate other charter rights as well?

I doubt they want to try to delist abortion.

But again, I don’t speak for the “Wildrose Party”, nor am I speaking for the “Wildrose Party”.

Therefore, I don’t know why I am even being asked questions about the “Wildrose Party”.

Edited by dpwozney, 15 April 2012 - 03:12 PM.

[dpwozney]

Again abortion has been ruled to be a Charter right. It is one of only a few Medicare services to be ruled a charter right.

If true, such a ruling would have been made by people who stated their allegiance to Elizabeth the Second.

Elizabeth the Second is not Queen of the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”, contrary to the requirement in this Fifth Schedule, which states:

“Oath of Allegiance

I A.B. do swear, That I will be faithful and bear true Allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Victoria.

Note. The Name of the King or Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland for the Time being is to be substituted from Time to Time, with proper Terms of Reference thereto.”.

Elizabeth the Second claims to be Queen of the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”.

The provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick expressed their desire to be federally united into one Dominion under the Crown of the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”, not the Crown of the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”, according to the British North America Act, 1867.

Edited by dpwozney, 15 April 2012 - 02:47 PM.

[Newfoundlander]

They can't delist it, it is a Charter right. They would lose a Charter Challenge easy. This is why PEI and NB pay for abortions

Morgentaler et al. v. Her Majesty The Queen 1988

New Brunswick only pays for medically necessary abortions and PEI doesn't pay.

[punked]

New Brunswick only pays for medically necessary abortions and PEI doesn't pay.

PEI does pay again for medically necessary ones but you must leave the Island to get it. It is a Charter right. As for medically necessary that does not mean life or death it means you get a doctor to sign off.

Edited by punked, 15 April 2012 - 03:18 PM.

[waldo]

I don’t speak for the “Wildrose Party”, nor am I speaking for the “Wildrose Party”.

However, according to CBC News, “Wildrose Leader Danielle Smith said she has absolutely no intention of legislating on abortion, and that includes delisting”.

will the real Danielle Smith stand-up?

Danielle Smith: “…abortions are a horrific practice… Any politician who challenges the status quo gets pilloried by the media, abortion-rights groups and opposing politicians…the taxpayer should not be on the hook to pay for it.”

[waldo]

more of the real Danielle Smith... in her own words (h/t W.Kinsella):

- On university behaviour codes: “It is perfectly reasonable [to] expect its students to refrain from practices that are biblically condemned, and sign a pledge not to get drunk, swear, harass, lie, cheat, steal, have an abortion, practise the occult, or engage in sexual sins such as premarital sex, adultery, homosexual behaviour and viewing of pornography.” Calgary Herald May 21, 2001

- On two-tier health care: “Bring it on.” Calgary Herald, June 1, 2003

- On queue jumping: “We already do have this two-tier system, so why not allow people to pay for private services?” Global TV, June 1, 2003

- On democracy: “Democracy is pure theatre.” Calgary Herald, August 3, 2003

- On the courts: “The courts are out of control [because they have been] striking down the abortion law, the change in the traditional definition of marriage, the legalization of swingers’ clubs.” Calgary Herald January 14, 2006

- On overriding Charter rights: “There are ways around the [notwithstanding] clause.” Calgary Herald January 14, 2006

…and on what she really thinks of the leader she now claims is a friend?

- On Stephen Harper: ”He’s blown his moderate credentials, he got some of his facts wrong and he has come across as a kooky conspiracy theorist.” Calgary Herald, September 14, 2003

oh my!

[Jack Weber]

NDP is pro labour.

It's a shame that more workers don't vote in their own interest.

I find it very ironic when I drive down a lower-income street of condo's/townhouses/rentals and see conservative signs up. Conservatives don't serve the interests of those people. Conservatives only start to serve your interests when your wage is getting above 60k.



Alberta has it's own ironic insanity.

The Wild Rose party is pulling votes of Libertarians and Social Conservatives. Albertan social conservatives must not understand the definition of libertarian...

Nothing like chickens voting for Col. Sanders,huh?

[dpwozney]

Well if you think they can delist abortion then you think they can violate other charter rights as well?

Delisting abortion services does not mean that people would no longer have the right to abortion services.

Emergency medical services or ambulance services are delisted, and people still have the right to emergency medical services or ambulance services.

[cybercoma]

New Brunswick only pays for medically necessary abortions and PEI doesn't pay.

PEI does pay, but they have no clinic.

NB has tied the funding thing up in court indefinitely. They're going to lose the case eventually. In the meantime, they think they're saving money.

[punked]

Delisting abortion services does not mean that people would no longer have the right to abortion services.

Emergency medical services or ambulance services are delisted, and people still have the right to emergency medical services or ambulance services.

Neither of those are charter rights.