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#76 bush_cheney2004

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 10:51 AM

The Asian is supposed to be a citizen of China, saying 'throw all your money and your jobs at China' - that's the accusation being made against Debbie Stabenow,....



Yes, there is a pre-existing context that somebody outside of Michigan or even the United States may not understand. President Obama and other national politicians have made even more pointed claims about exporting American jobs abroad, specifically to China.

Hoekstra is trying to unseat the incumbent, a difficult task.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 11:05 AM

The Asian is supposed to be a citizen of China, saying 'throw all your money and your jobs at China' - that's the accusation being made against Debbie Stabenow, that she is outsourcing our jobs and money to China - and making the Chinese happy rather than making us happy. The Chinese woman isn't a bimbo saying 'let's throw all the money away and that's fun' - she's saying keep your money and jobs coming to China.


Exactly. What TSS says isn't the problem with the ad. The problem is that the ad uses embarrassingly stereotypical elements to portray the Chinese, ie: the "Chinese" music, the woman with the bad accent and broken engrish.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 12:11 PM

Fair enough, but I just wanted to point out that Canadian politics often invokes the terrible "American style" bogeyman. So why can't Hoekstra do it with China?

Exactly. It's funny to watch some of the members in this forum decry the use of China in political ads. When every couple of years, that's all the NDP and Liberal political campaings churn out, is ads referring to American-style this, and American-style that, and American influence this, and American influence that. The hypocrisy meter has been utterly destroyed! :)

Even at 8%, the US federal government has sold America's soul. China owns you.

That's just not true. In fact, China NEEDS a strong American economy. Without it, their economic growth ceases to be strong, and all of a sudden they have a massive problem with an influx of rural migrants to urban areas without jobs. China needs America much more than America needs China.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:32 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxw4uZAezaI

LOL, sounds like PeteSpenditSnot

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:34 PM

Finland or Canada...it doesn't matter. They are conditioned to see America and Americans in ways that reinforce their stereotypes.



And Americans are conditioned to ignore what's going on in the world. The only other country that exists to them is Mexico.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:41 PM

And Americans are conditioned to ignore what's going on in the world. The only other country that exists to them is Mexico.



It's easy for America to ignore Canada, much harder to ignore Mexico. Canada is only 8% of the Norte America population.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:43 PM

I guess Canada has a similar little brother-complex to the US as we in Finland have to Sweden. Both countries mirror their achievements in comparison to the "big brother" who often does not take the slightest notice whatever the kid brother has been doing.


Yes, It seems like that...but when it comes to hockey Sweden clearly pwns Finland! just saying :lol:

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:46 PM

It's easy for America to ignore Canada, much harder to ignore Mexico. Canada is only 8% of the Norte America population.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:26 PM

Man that clip is freekin hallarious!

Much like a raving lunatic rambling downtown blaming the European economic crisis on some passing pigeons pecking away at some bread crumbs.

Just freekin hallarious!

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Actually in the context of our traditions it's not a bad ad. In our country the mainstream wants less government, not more. Even when they don't realize the extent of benefits they do receive.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 06:04 PM

Exactly. What TSS says isn't the problem with the ad. The problem is that the ad uses embarrassingly stereotypical elements to portray the Chinese, ie: the "Chinese" music, the woman with the bad accent and broken engrish.


And the fact that such a racist ad is meant to be taken seriously... for political gain.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 09:09 PM

Exactly. It's funny to watch some of the members in this forum decry the use of China in political ads. When every couple of years, that's all the NDP and Liberal political campaings churn out, is ads referring to American-style this, and American-style that, and American influence this, and American influence that. The hypocrisy meter has been utterly destroyed! :)


That's just not true. In fact, China NEEDS a strong American economy. Without it, their economic growth ceases to be strong, and all of a sudden they have a massive problem with an influx of rural migrants to urban areas without jobs. China needs America much more than America needs China.



China doesnt need a strong US economy per say. They need access to US consumers but they dont care whether those consumers are earning good wages at good jobs in a strong economy, or if that consumption is financed by debt. China is nicely positioned here, because they are both the bank, and the store. They lend Americans money to spend in their store.

The reality is the relationship as it exists now is only good for either side in the short term, and pretty bad for both sides in the long term.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 10:14 PM

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oh my! The 2010 OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) rankings... Finland #1, Japan #2, South Korea #3, New Zealand #4, Canada #5... United States #17. Oh my!

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 10:33 PM

Actually in the context of our traditions it's not a bad ad. In our country the mainstream wants less government, not more. Even when they don't realize the extent of benefits they do receive.

Hypocritical but true.



In our country the mainstream wants less government, not more.


What? Are you kidding? The mainstream voted for all of that growth in government, and all that spending, and they will do it again in the next election. Candidates that focus on shrinking the government, its securities forces, and its programs are basically laughed at and treated like crazy people. In the current republican primary the only candidate running on fiscal conservatism and small government is DEAD LAST.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:50 AM

oh my! The 2010 OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) rankings... Finland #1, Japan #2, South Korea #3, New Zealand #4, Canada #5... United States #17. Oh my!

Right on par with what Richard Wilkinson has said. Nations with lower income inequalities fair much better, generally, on social and health scores.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:05 AM

China doesnt need a strong US economy per say.

Yes they do. They need a strong American economy to export to.



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