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#16 mentalfloss

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 06:45 AM

Whatever, while he serves as a counterweight to a very leftist judicial system he seems unnecessarily antagonistic.


Right - like the judge that wanted to get rid of the mandatory minimum for snapping a pic with your shotgun. Such a leftist cause, lol

Let's not forget that Harper brought in three new, very conservative judges after his election.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 06:56 AM

If you notice at the end of the article there were over 2500 comments the most I've yet on the Tories and I wonder if all of them against Vic, which I agree, voted for the Tories? It was better to have them as a minority government but people in Toronto had to vote for them, you get what you voted for!

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 07:01 AM

If you notice at the end of the article there were over 2500 comments the most I've yet on the Tories and I wonder if all of them against Vic, which I agree, voted for the Tories? It was better to have them as a minority government but people in Toronto had to vote for them, you get what you voted for!


Toronto? Maybe I missed something! I thought Toronto was solidly Liberal and NDP!

Now, the suburbs have a lot of Tories and the rest of the province also supported them.

Oh well, if you say so!
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 07:43 AM

They have the majority, so they will now bring it on. The government we get is the one we deserve.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 08:21 AM

They have the majority, so they will now bring it on. The government we get is the one we deserve.


Only true in theory, Manny. If ALL the choices are poor, what do we deserve?

In my entire life of 59 years, only a couple of times did I have a choice where I could say I agreed with more than half of a party's platform and historical proof of their character. Every other time I have had to hold my nose and vote for the least rank!

So if we are not given a valid choice are we truly responsible for the outcome?
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:27 AM

Police agencies are unable to show any investigation that has been hampered by the current laws on the books as relates child porn.

http://fullcomment.n...w-gun-registry/

Bloody ridiculous.

Mr. Toews should go one step further. Any household with children should be equipped with a camera system that the police should access to ensure that children are not molested. Starting with the PM's house (NOTE: I DO NOT MEAN TO IMPLY WRONGDOING BY THE PM). No warrant would be needed. Of course, failure by Mr. Toews to implement such a measure would prove he sides with dirty dads and uncles against children, right?


I can say this much, one of his cabinet members would be in jail if this were implemented. If the RCMP had any balls, the member would be behind bars now, but they dont, and they wont.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:24 AM

The internet is out of control and something needs to be done. Way to many childfren being hurt because of the perverts of the world.Mkaes you wonder if the perverts are the real winners in the internet world we have built. Now I don't understabnd hwo mfar this reaches , but we need to get something started to take control of it. Sometimes I wonder if we have to many rights and do we deserve the ones we have.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:26 AM

The internet is out of control and something needs to be done. Way to many childfren being hurt because of the perverts of the world.Mkaes you wonder if the perverts are the real winners in the internet world we have built. Now I don't understabnd hwo mfar this reaches , but we need to get something started to take control of it. Sometimes I wonder if we have to many rights and do we deserve the ones we have.

Not....sure.....if....serious.....


What rights are you willing to hand over?

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:32 AM

Has anyone actually read the text of this bill yet, if so is there a link please.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

The internet is out of control and something needs to be done. Way to many childfren being hurt because of the perverts of the world.Mkaes you wonder if the perverts are the real winners in the internet world we have built. Now I don't understabnd hwo mfar this reaches , but we need to get something started to take control of it. Sometimes I wonder if we have to many rights and do we deserve the ones we have.


If you say so.. the Catholic Church is out of control and must be stopped

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:44 AM

Has anyone actually read the text of this bill yet, if so is there a link please.


Its being tabled today

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:15 AM

well, there should be no surprises in the actual bill makeup (to be tabled later today)... we saw a Round 1 attempt in bills C-46/C-47 - which succumbed to the power of the Harper perogy. A Round 2 attempt came in the format of bills C-50/C-51/C-52 - which died on the order paper given the 2011 election.

we discussed facets of each of these over various past MLW threads; part of those discussions included analysis drawn from Michael Geist, renowned expert in Internet & E-Commerce law. Geist has put together a FAQ on the intended Harper Conservatives "Lawful Access" legislation - here:

following a Q/A format:

- What is lawful access?

- What is Bill C-30 likely to contain?

- Isn't ISP customer name and address information similar to phone book data that is readily available to the public without privacy concerns? (first prong)

- Isn't the mandatory disclosure of ISP customer information necessary for police investigations? (first prong)

- Didn't former Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day pledge not to introduce mandatory disclosure of ISP customer information without court oversight? (first prong)

- Who pays for the surveillance infrastructure required by lawful access? (second prong)

- Does lawful access create a new regulatory framework for the Internet? (second prong)

- Does lawful access create new police powers? (third prong)

- Does opposing lawful access mean questioning the integrity of law enforcement?

- Don't other countries have the same lawful access rules as those found in Canada?

- What do Canada's privacy commissioners think about lawful access?

- Are these lawful access proposal constitutional?

-Does the government seem somewhat inconsistent on its crime and privacy policies?

-Where can I learn more about lawful access and what can I do?



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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:50 AM

from the aforementioned Q/A... waiting for those fevered MLW gun registry advocates to chime in on this thread and rally the charge!


Q: Does the government seem somewhat inconsistent on its crime and privacy policies?

A: If by inconsistent you mean supporting the creation of widespread surveillance capabilities, removing foundational privacy principles requiring court oversight, and claiming the need to support police investigations, while:

- killing the long gun registry over the objections of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police

- planning to delete the data from the long gun registry on privacy grounds (Toews: "to maintain the registry and the information is a complete violation of law and the principles of privacy that all of us in the House respect")

- scrapping the mandatory long-form census on privacy grounds


then, yes, they seem somewhat inconsistent.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 02:16 PM

Sometimes I wonder if we have to many rights and do we deserve the ones we have.

How about you try giving up your's and let us know how that works that for you?

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 02:52 PM

Everyone knows that if you support the right to privacy, and the free nature of the internet, you obviously have an impossible time going even a day without buggering a small child.

On another note...
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