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#31 Manny

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:02 PM

Only true in theory, Manny. If ALL the choices are poor, what do we deserve?

In my entire life of 59 years, only a couple of times did I have a choice where I could say I agreed with more than half of a party's platform and historical proof of their character. Every other time I have had to hold my nose and vote for the least rank!

So if we are not given a valid choice are we truly responsible for the outcome?

Yes, in a very specific way. By agreeing to vote for the "best of the worst", we agree to participate in the system without reforms. That is what we do when we are sheeple, and we still deserve what we get. The right thing for the people to do when there is no real choice is, to reject all of the candidates.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:51 PM

Yes, in a very specific way. By agreeing to vote for the "best of the worst", we agree to participate in the system without reforms. That is what we do when we are sheeple, and we still deserve what we get. The right thing for the people to do when there is no real choice is, to reject all of the candidates.


What would happen if we reject all the candidates? Would any politician care? As long as there are enough votes to allow him a win, why would it matter to him?

You realize that spoiled or declined ballots are no longer even counted. Even if the number of voters who decided not to participate WERE tallied, how would that matter? Perhaps you believe that if that number was high enough it would embarrass the politicians.

Don't you realize that NOTHING embarrasses a politician?

Literally MILLIONS of voters worked hard to support change with the Reform Party. Now it is merely a footnote in history. The old style politics with the PC party of Mulroney came back with a vengeance.

You are giving the official, academic line as to how things are supposed to work. Millions of Reformers tried for well over a decade to accomplish real-world progress. All of it has been a failure.

Is there anything left?
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:58 PM

.... The right thing for the people to do when there is no real choice is, to reject all of the candidates.



See ballot designed with candidate => "None of the above"

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:33 PM

I was a DRO in the last election. We had to count spoiled ballots.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:35 PM

I was a DRO in the last election. We had to count spoiled ballots.

Yes, but nothing happens to them and they don't care.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:41 PM

Where are the CPC apologists? Why are they hiding?


Apologists? I will explain away certain things to those too dumb to figure it out themselves when it's merited. But I don't support this bill.

On the other hand, I can't help note the irony of all the left wingers mocking Toews for taking the very same attitude the Left wingers here took when I argued last week that the current overhyped fear of child porn was unjustifed and the current laws were overbroad. I was accused of being sympathetic to child pornographers and being a reader or viewer of child porn myself.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 04:50 PM

On the other hand, I can't help note the irony of all the left wingers mocking Toews for taking the very same attitude the Left wingers here took when I argued last week that the current overhyped fear of child porn was unjustifed and the current laws were overbroad. I was accused of being sympathetic to child pornographers and being a reader or viewer of child porn myself.


Extreme left wingers are no better than extreme right wingers.. seems like there's plenty of both on this site
hopefully those that accused you of such apologized .. or at least will apologize after they realize they did
what Toews just did.. if they do not I will find out who they are and expose them

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 05:02 PM

Yes, but nothing happens to them and they don't care.

Sure, I was just fact-checking there.:P

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 05:07 PM

Where are the CPC apologists? Why are they hiding?

yes, very quiet - I suspect the most fevered and ardent MLW Harper Conservative supporters are still waiting for their talking points.

when both the National Post and the Financial Post are coming out against this piece of Harper Conservative invasion into personal liberties, you know things are bustling on the PMO damage control front.


Canada’s embarrassing failure on lawful access legislation

You’re with us, or the child pornographers


absolutely, most definitely, most assuredly: MLW - the dead board walking!

 

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 05:37 PM

C-30 now tabled - full text:

Edited by waldo, 15 February 2012 - 12:43 PM.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 06:18 PM

There's one thing about this and its the cost to the ISP. They have 18 months to update so this program can go forward and who do you think is going to pay for this...not the government and your ISP will pass that on to the users and we just got hit a year ago because of this government.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 07:57 PM

You are giving the official, academic line as to how things are supposed to work. Millions of Reformers tried for well over a decade to accomplish real-world progress. All of it has been a failure.

Is there anything left?

I gave nothing my friend. You have filled in those blanks yourself.

Clearly, democracy has been hijacked by the wealthy, if it ever was a truly "fair" system. All legal means of reform have shown themselves to be mere deception. So let us now consider more closely your question, if rejecting ballots and embarrassment means nothing to them, if peaceful protest also means nothing to them, what really is left? When a system depends on injustice in order to continue, violence is the only, inevitable consequence.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 08:55 PM

I gave nothing my friend. You have filled in those blanks yourself.

Clearly, democracy has been hijacked by the wealthy, if it ever was a truly "fair" system. All legal means of reform have shown themselves to be mere deception. So let us now consider more closely your question, if rejecting ballots and embarrassment means nothing to them, if peaceful protest also means nothing to them, what really is left? When a system depends on injustice in order to continue, violence is the only, inevitable consequence.


At one time I would have agreed with you, Manny. Now, I just can't see it happening, at least for a while.

You see, we Canadians are just too apathetic to get violent!

However, since we seem hell-bent on importing as many new Canadians from violent cultures as we can get, the situation may well change sooner rather than later.

The unfortunate thing is that those with the energy of violence tend to lack the brains to have workable, sustainable positive goals. That's why those cultures with a history of social violence tend to be countries that are perpetual crap-holes.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:44 PM

The internet is out of control

The internet doesn't really do anything.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:47 PM

But how will they monitor foreign web activity. There is only one answer. The net must be nationalized and the great red and white firewall unleased!

Aproved websites:

IHATEISLAM.COM
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calgarystampede.com
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AND FINALLY A LITTLE FOR ENTERTAINMENT




EVERY WEBSITE CANADIANS NEED!

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