244 replies to this topic

[Sa'adoni]

The internet doesn't really do anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hfBojdcmD8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INDECT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEEm7tj-tk&feature=related

Edited by Sa'adoni, 14 February 2012 - 11:05 PM.

[Bryan]

yes, very quiet - I suspect the most fevered and ardent MLW Harper Conservative supporters are still waiting for their talking points.

No. You are not going to find very many Conservatives who agree with Toews on this issue. Not here, not in the EDA's, not on Blogging Tories.

CPC MPs are getting a lot of backlash right now from even their most dedicated supporters.

[Topaz]

The NDP brought up the fact Stockwell Day said this law would never happen, just wondering if he left the party because he had no choice and the way the Tories wanted to take this, to were its going now? If people don't trust this government they only have themselves to blame.

[Wild Bill]

You know, I just had an Atlas Shrugged kind of an idea! It goes like this:

Vic's Bill demands that ISPs provide all sorts of things, including back doors and easy methods for the police and other authorities to find out whatever they want from the Net.

They are making the assumption that they can demand anything they want and it will happen! Not only is everything they ask possible, they assume, but who cares about the cost! It's as if they think that some software guy will spend an evening with a pizza and some coke and change everything for them!

This Bill is an attack on many of the values of the people who built and now maintain the Net. What if they refused to do the technical work involved?

They would not have to be so stupid as to overtly refuse. They could be charged for that and I've no doubt that a personality like Vic Toews WOULD if he thought they were challenging him!

So here comes my Atlas Shrugged idea - suppose all the techies simply said that they didn't know HOW to change the software?

How could a government PROVE that this was bogus? Are there any politicians, let alone judges, who understand how to do this stuff? Perhaps the structure of the InterNet is such that it's TRUE! Maybe it isn't possible to do as Vic asks! I don't know for sure, do you? Would a judge?

The Law would be put in the position of trying to tell a citizen what he is or is not capable of doing, in a field where the Law has no expertise of its own. Even more, some software engineers are better than others. If one said he couldn't do it, can the Law assume that they are ALL equally capable and the engineer in question is lying?

In other words, Atlas the software guy Shrugs! Who would do what Vic wants? What could he possibly do about it?

Edited by Wild Bill, 15 February 2012 - 08:55 AM.

[DogOnPorch]

I like your idea. Slipping some CP on Toews's computer would be the crowning move.

Well, well, well...no wonder he's looking for witches under beds!

[The_Squid]

I like your idea too WIld Bill.... and if internet was provided by small companies with a handful of nerds, it would work.

But when Shaw, Bell and Telus tell their techies to make it happen, it will happen. The gov't will have access to information that should be private. We will all become potential perverts for the gov't to investigate.

[Vendetta]

Claims that Harper will move us closer and closer to being a police state don't sound so far-fetched anymore, do they?

[Smallc]

Still far fetched, sorry.

[waldo]

Mr. Toews just shook my confidence in this government to a certain degree.

baby steps

[olpfan1]

Its going to push the real child porn freaks underground .. instead of looking at pics they'll be out there kidnapping children, raping them and killing them
taking their own pics

[DogOnPorch]

Still far fetched, sorry.

Maybe so. But, given an inch, the RCMP will take a mile. One might get arrested reading the wrong section of a SEARS catalogue if they could have their way. As well, I seriously doubt there's a CP industry in Canada. Want to stop this sort of thing? Come down hard on Eastern Europe and places like Thailand.

[Smallc]

I didn't say I agree with the legislation. In fact, I very much oppose it. Still, this country won't be allowed to become a police state.

Hell, I'd phone my Conservative MPs office, but I'm not sure what I would even say at this point.

Edited by Smallc, 15 February 2012 - 11:08 AM.

[DogOnPorch]

I didn't say I agree with the legislation. In fact, I very much oppose it. Still, this country won't be allowed to become a police state.

I'm pretty sure we BOTH oppose it.

[Derek L]

Hmmmm……..So a Federal Canadian Government is implementing a policy, under the auspices of crime prevention and public safety, that will allow the police/courts unfettered access into it’s citizens private lives………..What’s next? Allowing the Police search and seizure rights outside the normal channels?………..Sounds familiar. What do you wanna bet it won’t be the least effective in reducing online CP, but the RCMP will call it a useful law enforcement tool.


For the record, I’ve signed several online petitions against this last year……..Too bad we didn’t have a capable opposition that would have been able to garner further attention to this issue as opposed to the weeks spent on the MND’s helicopter ride.

[Smallc]

I did phone my MPs office, and the assistant called the Ministers comments a definite false dichotomy, and said that he personally shares my concerns. I'm hoping that the rest of the government views things that way. I still don't support this bill as it is currently proposed.