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[bud]

a transparent attempt to manipulate the issue and rationalize the curtailing of democratic freedoms. can't possibly be that canadians just believe the state should not have a free hand to ride rough shod over the charter.

[cybercoma]

Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest?

[bud]

Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest?

his privacy? what did i miss?

[cybercoma]

Also, SUN is saying that the Conservatives are now backpedaling on the bill.

[dre]

a transparent attempt to manipulate the issue and rationalize the curtailing of democratic freedoms. can't possibly be that canadians just believe the state should not have a free hand to ride rough shod over the charter.

The government is trying to use the internet as a way to grease up the slippery slope. When communications were by mail, or by phone it was hard for them to justify this kind of big brother activity.

But with the internet theres some high profile and emotional crimes involved, and theyre taking another crack at it. And its more than just this one law, and its more than just Canada. Governments are uncomfortable with having such a huge hole in their vision, especially since social networking is turning into such a political force.


You can kiss the free internet good bye. Its just a matter of time. Theyll keep trotting out high profile crime, copyright enforcement, national security etc as reasons to lock things down and its a forgone conclusion that eventually they will be able to control the medium, and regulate and monitor the content.

[scribblet]

Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest?

Now that I agree with - well said.

[waldo]

Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest?

no - absolutely none at all. Nothing is more emblematic and more representative of a possible privacy invasion than to showcase a very profile invasion of Toews's own privacy.

[cybercoma]

no - absolutely none at all. Nothing is more emblematic and more representative of a possible privacy invasion than to showcase a very profile invasion of Toews's own privacy.

If you're vehemently against invasion of privacy, why would you revel in the invasion of someone's privacy? It doesn't make sense.

The bill is terrible and while I can't say I don't derive some sort of schadenfreude about what's happening to Vic Toews here, but it's incredibly hypocritical to engage in the behaviour you're protesting.

Edited by cybercoma, 15 February 2012 - 06:32 PM.

[olpfan1]

his privacy? what did i miss?

nothing, the info was open to the public
no privacy was tampered with

bleeding hearts will be bleeding hearts

[BubberMiley]

Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest?

Not if the vicious irony gets the point across.

[msj]

Is there not a certain amount of hypocrisy in criticizing Toews's law for being too intrusive and an invasion of privacy, yet turning around and invading his privacy in protest?

If the tweets are to be believed then there is no invasion of his privacy.

The tweets are allegedly based on documents related to his separation/divorce which are, apparently, available to the public.

If true then TFB for him.

[Sa'adoni]

If the tweets are to be believed then there is no invasion of his privacy.

The tweets are allegedly based on documents related to his separation/divorce which are, apparently, available to the public.

If true then TFB for him.

The problem is that this bill will only force communications underground further, and only stupid people will be effected by it, it will do nothing to go after the smart people.

step 1 make up cypher text with all your friends

step 2 http://www.chiark.gr...sgtatham/putty/

this is a basic solution there are far more effective systems.

There are so many wifi hotspots in existence people who don't want to be caught won't. The bill doesn't go far enough to actually be an effective bill.

The only thing this bill is good for is letting police snoop on stupid people who don't know how to make their communications unintelligible.

I will have to start sending porn in my emails just to keep police busy. That and writing in bad Chinese and Russian. This bill is like buying a pee shooter to take down a tank. Please please please don't tell CPC MP's are this stupid and technologically inept to propose such weak legislation.

I will only say it one more time, this bill is only useful for snooping and malicious activities and doesn't address professional pedo ring technologies.

Also I am deeply in doubt that there are enough pedos out there to legitimize a complete hardware overhall of Canada's networking infrastructure.

I really have no clue but I find it hard to believe there are more than a handful of people who get off on sexually abusing children, it just don't make sense.

I find it hard to believe that is the real aim of the bill. The bill however does not bring forward a real solution. It is not good enough to stop evasive transmissions. They need to ban cryptography and other measures before this bill even begins to approach an open net architecture for anyone but the most unintelligent of Canada's population.


While these and further steps need to be taken, this is a pathetic bill that doesn't go far enough.


The government could even make money licensing Reality TV programs if it took the right angle to a real warrentless monitoring bill. Put in a real life monitoring not via communications system clause and the option for people to sign up to a government sponsered broadcasting deal on CBC RadioCanada LIVE

Edited by Sa'adoni, 15 February 2012 - 11:00 PM.

[cybercoma]

Not if the vicious irony gets the point across.

Sorry, but I don't buy "the ends justify the means" type arguments.

[bjre]

“He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.”

That all political liars likes to say.

So, if there is one criminal in the world,

all people's freedom should be take away;

all people should be treat just as the criminal.

That's what western style "freedom" all about.

[Topaz]

I'm curious about the female that had Vic baby, she was a babysitter, right? Teenager? How young? This just shows his character and his attraction for young young females.