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#1 Boges

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:05 PM

http://www.thestar.c...ing-report?bn=1

But the lion’s share of the savings he identified came from cutting some of the Liberal government’s most treasured achievements, including:

• scrapping or revamping full-day kindergarten;

• raising the 20-student class-size cap in junior grades to 23 children and increasing the average in junior grades from 24.5 to 26 students and from 22 to 24 in secondary school;

• ending the Ontario “clean air benefit,” the 10 per cent rebate to electricity bills that costs the treasury $1 billion a year;

• cancelling the new 30 per cent Ontario tuition grant for college and university undergraduate students unless the overall post-secondary budget can be kept to a 1.5 per cent rise;

• extending the period municipal social service costs will be uploaded back to Queen’s Park by two years to 2020

• amalgamating some of Ontario’s 151 hospital corporations.

But Drummond urged against “across-the-board cuts,” wage freezes or targets for civil-service job reduction, though he implored the government to be creative.

“Do not hang on to public assets or public service delivery when better options exist. Consider privatizing assets and moving to the private delivery of services wherever feasible,” he said.


Lots of do-able things in there. I wonder who will light their hair on fire on freak out over this report? I heard Union Leader Sid Ryan bitch that it wasn't in Drummond's power to increase corporate tax rates. :lol:

#2 Newfoundlander

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:20 PM

Time for some common sense.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:21 PM

No kidding. It's clear that Ontario's government is too big for Ontario given economic prospects going forward. Time for the Liberals to swallow their pride and clean house.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 01:42 PM

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1131820--drummond-report-higher-hydro-bills-more-user-fees-urged-in-sweeping-report?bn=1



Lots of do-able things in there. I wonder who will light their hair on fire on freak out over this report? I heard Union Leader Sid Ryan bitch that it wasn't in Drummond's power to increase corporate tax rates. :lol:



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Posted 15 February 2012 - 05:30 PM

I support much of the document...

I disagree on privatization as a key component though. It doesn't really help our economy...

Privatized services often cost more because the company needs to rake in profit, employ half as many people and simply export money to investors who live outside of Ontario.

(THANK YOU 407 for transporting our money overseas!)
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 05:36 PM

No kidding. It's clear that Ontario's government is too big for Ontario given economic prospects going forward. Time for the Liberals to swallow their pride and clean house.


Seems recent events have convinced many citizens and governments that not paying for spending and racking up debt/deficits actually has negative consequences beyond passing the buck to your grandkids. Looks like reality has hit, we have to balance our books, and our current standard of living (both publicly and privately) is beyond our means and unsustainable. We've been living in a la-la land dreamworld. It was fun while it lasted...i guess.
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 03:48 AM

This stuff is one reason why I wont support the Liberals provincially.

Imagine if you will that you are Mr. Government, and the head of your family.

You have many children. Little Johnny Healthcare, Little Billy Education, so on and so forth.

Now one of your kids, Tommy Transportation, is starving. Every day you starve him by not giving him enough to eat.

Then one day you lose some wages, and need to make cuts to the family. Are you going to cut back for the whole family? Why? Why tell little Tommy Transportation, who is already starving thanks to cuts from the last time you ran out of money, that he needs to starve even more? If I were leading this family I'd tell the other kids, the non-starving ones like Emily Artfunding, that it's time that she take some of the cuts.

A 1.5% cut to education might mean one more student in each classroom. A 1.5% cut to healthcare might mean you wait an extra 5 mins for the doctor. Neither of these will even be noticed by the average person. A 1.5% cut to public transit funding means you lose a bus. That's a real thing, something noticeable, something that people don't want.

Tommy Transportation is starving. Mr. Rae Government decided to increase portion sizes for all the other kids, but not for Tommy Transportation. Mr. Harris Government decided to cut portion sizes for all the kids, including Tommy Transportation. Now Mr. McGunity Government wants to focus their cuts on Tommy Transportation.


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Posted 16 February 2012 - 05:33 AM

Drummond was on CBC this morning, and he also pointed to the closed nature of financial information. The status of public pensions, and the energy supply plan were two examples of public information that is not published - not due to secrecy but just inertia.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:33 AM

They should do most of the above and raise corporate taxes by 5%.

Take a look at this infographic to see why:

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/drummondreport3.jpg

Edited by mentalfloss, 16 February 2012 - 06:46 AM.


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Posted 16 February 2012 - 08:49 AM

They should do most of the above and raise corporate taxes by 5%.

Take a look at this infographic to see why:

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/drummondreport3.jpg


It seems the harmonizing of the GST cost too much, he shouldn't done it. I'm listening the PC leader, and he's not saying much and I wonder if he'll bring down the Libs, my guess is no because he doesn't want to deal with this mess.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 09:18 AM

It seems the harmonizing of the GST cost too much, he shouldn't done it.


I thought the Feds were on the hook for that. :blink:

They lowered income taxes for it but they also started taxing a bunch of new things.

Edited by Boges, 16 February 2012 - 09:19 AM.


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Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:25 AM

20B sales tax.

Our share is 8%, fed share is 5%.

Sales tax used to total 15%, now it totals 13%

But... what if we raised our share to 10%, and the total back to 15%?

Well if 20 Billion is raised at a 8% share, then, 10B should come from 4%, and, 5B from 2% right? Thus, a 2% increase should get us about 5B extra. There's a third of your shortfall right there.

The remainder should come from cuts to spending.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:27 AM

Bloated government, declining revenues, industry fleeing the scene with many jobs..... is Ontario already a failed state?
The government should do something.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:28 AM

Again, this is another 'out' for Premier ( I use the term advisedly), McGuinty.
Whatever belt tightening he implements he can pass off as a requirement from Drummond.

Watch for an imitation like a Schultz...."I know nosssing!" I'm following orders!

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

Bloated government, declining revenues, industry fleeing the scene with many jobs..... is Ontario already a failed state?



And yet Ontario pays 42% of all federal revenue (and only receives 35% of all federal spending)

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