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[cybercoma]

I don't want to talk about flaws in her analysis, they are big.

There's huge flaws in her argument, but you don't want to talk about them. Thanks for nothing then.

[olpfan1]

hm new infomation
http://m.ctv.ca/tops...own-120312.html

Edited by Charles Anthony, 13 March 2012 - 09:22 AM.
deleted re-copied article; just post a brief quote instead

[j44]

The source also said Sona was in church on the day some of the Pierre Poutine calls were made.

In church the entire day?

[olpfan1]

In church the entire day?

I don't understand that either.. he had a disposable celly, he could have made the calls from the church

[madmax]

Conservative insiders insist they are not forcing Sona to take the fall.

Interesting comment.. i realize its not yours olpfan1 but a quote , however it begs the question..

Then What are Conservative Insiders doing?

Just curious..

[olpfan1]

Interesting comment.. i realize its not yours olpfan1 but a quote , however it begs the question..

Then What are Conservative Insiders doing?

Just curious..

I don't exactly trust any of ctvs insider sources

I'd take all of that with a grain of salt

[waldo]

Please, don't be fooled. The professor clearly states the suppression did happen. She simply tries to pretend she is objective and not interferring into legal aspect.

the author never uses the term suppression - her focus is entirely the Elections Canada voter turnout data - the dependent variable... she speaks to depressed voter turnout as a measured effect of reported robocalls in the 27 identified ridings (2011 election relative to the 2008 election). You claim a legal aspect interference; however, the author categorically states, "It is important to note that my findings in no way can prove whether misconduct or an illegal act has occurred".

I read her paper completely. This is a typical pseudo-scientific crap coming from a professor of sociology (I know she's in the economics dept).

you know she is a recognized and published economics professor... yet choose to purposely denigrate her. She holds an economics doctorate and has published extensively - she has a cv with some substance.

But her conclusions are stunning. In each of the 27 ridings, on average about 2500 non-conservative voters did not show up. It's 67,500 people!

which is ~3% of the total of all registered voters within those 27 'targeted' ridings. At the lower bound... 1000/27000

She "proves" that the 27 ridings were selected strategically. Implication is - by the Conservative Party. This must be a well organized nation-wide campaign. Supressed were only non-conservatives. Pro-conservative voters showed up in record numbers in those ridings.

the author provided no formal implication - the inference is yours. Your observation of the 'robocall effect' is noted: "districts with larger shares on non-conservative votes experienced a decline in turnout, while more Conservative leaning districts had higher turnout relative to the average".

By the way, the 27 ridings are those submitted by Bob Ray.

the author states, "I obtained the list of those ridings that were allegedly targeted for voter demobilization using automated phone calls from the popular press and the online publications on the websites of the Liberal Party and the New Democratic Party".

of course, in the interim dynamics, that 27 number has extended to possibly implicate 77 ridings with some degree of described 'voter irregularity'.

[Michael Hardner]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2012/03/12/19492466.html

A Simon Fraser University professor says ...

olpfan - it looks like you cut/pasted an article here - this isn't permitted, please see the rules. You can cut/paste an excerpt (you should QUOTE that so it's obvious) and post the link as well as your comment to start discussion.

[Topaz]

Rae and the Liberals want a Royal Commission into these robocalls and asked for it in the House, which in turn Del Mastro stood up and accused the Liberals of doing it. So Ok, Tories, if you have nothing to hide then support the Liberals and the NDP for this inquiry. Will they do it, likely not. Also, I noticed after visiting all three websites, only the Tories have not put on their site anything about robocalls or trying to find out who did it. http://ca.news.yahoo...s-28590332.html

Edited by Topaz, 13 March 2012 - 06:26 AM.

[madmax]

In church the entire day?

Sona and Christian Conservative... were in church all day...

It might be called confession lol...

[madmax]

Also, I noticed after visiting all three websites, only the Tories have not put on their site anything about robocalls or trying to find out who did it. http://ca.news.yahoo...s-28590332.html

Thats very unusual..

[PIK]

Thats very unusual..

They are not ''over the top'' like the rest of them. But if this guy is known, then he can't be a con, I am sure they would have leaked it by now. Could it be someone form the left?

[PIK]

Do you think the most widespread case of election fraud in our country's history is amusing? That there shouldn't be consequences?

Why not hold an election? If you believe the Tories would still win anyway why not agree to call for re elections? or are you scurred

Stuff like this just make the left look so juvenile.

[UofGPolitico]

It will be interesting to see if Turmel leads off QP today with robocalls. I think there is a chance this may be the first QP in 3 weeks she won't. There is the CBC report out last night that civil servants pay outs will cost 2 billion and of course the drug shortages.

Should be interesting.

With word we may not know anything for months or years, this robocall story is losing its legs quick. Not that it still isn't important, and maybe after months and years a bombshell will be dropped, however, more pressing things are emerging as concerns for both the media and the opposition.

[j44]

It will be interesting to see if Turmel leads off QP today with robocalls. I think there is a chance this may be the first QP in 3 weeks she won't. There is the CBC report out last night that civil servants pay outs will cost 2 billion and of course the drug shortages.

Should be interesting.

With word we may not know anything for months or years, this robocall story is losing its legs quick. Not that it still isn't important, and maybe after months and years a bombshell will be dropped, however, more pressing things are emerging as concerns for both the media and the opposition.

Budget is coming too. I'm almost sick of the robocall thing already. It got way too irrational way to fast.

I saw that report. 15 weeks severance for 1 year at the job. And the gov. will fork over 11 grand for education if you want to go back to school.

I also liked how Weston said that the last time this sort of thing happened all the former employees just went back to work as consultants.

How much is this downsizing going to 'save' since it is going to cost 2 billion?