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[capricorn]

YES!

I would agree except that in February, Hamilton and the Conservatives never stated or told the media they were conducting an investigation. So there was no reversal on their part about what they told the media. That's all I pointed out.

[madmax]

I would agree except that in February, Hamilton and the Conservatives never stated or told the media they were conducting an investigation. So there was no reversal on their part about what they told the media. That's all I pointed out.

This doesn't make them look any better.. infact it makes them look worse.

[cybercoma]

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[cybercoma]

Looks like they're taking this seriously. EC digs into phone records: http://www.montrealg...html?id=6519199

[capricorn]

Looks like Elections Canada had a contract with the Assembly of First Nations to operate call centres during past general elections.

For the last three federal campaigns, Elections Canada has hired the Assembly of First Nations (AFN) to target select ridings with phone calls aimed at boosting the native vote.

The documents show that Elections Canada paid the AFN $50,000 during the last election to set up call centres, read from prepared scripts and answer questions on voting.

Elections Canada describes the contract as part of a "voter education and information" program that has been ongoing with AFN since 2005.
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The documents show that while the AFN was responsible for setting up the call centre to reach out to native communities and leaders, it was Elections Canada that provided the scripts and had final say on revisions.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2012/04/25/19679986.html

Elections Canada officials have repeatedly said they don't call voters. I suppose assigning contracts to do so on their behalf doesn't count.

[Jack Weber]

Looks like Elections Canada had a contract with the Assembly of First Nations to operate call centres during past general elections.


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2012/04/25/19679986.html

Elections Canada officials have repeatedly said they don't call voters. I suppose assigning contracts to do so on their behalf doesn't count.

So Elections Canada robocalled thousands of voters to send them to polling stations that didn't exist in the last election...

Is that your contention?

[scribblet]

E.C. lied and misled the House, they targeted select ridings by race with phone calls intended to increase the native vote. What else have they been doing.. and while we are on about it, how about those two Dick Tracy's over at the Citizen, how come they didn't report on this, or are they just selective in what they report. Maybe it's time they told us how they get their information too.

Edited by scribblet, 26 April 2012 - 03:11 PM.

[capricorn]

No. I stuck that link here because the thread title says "etc." and I didn't feel like starting a new thread.
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This raises some questions. Is this the only such contract between Elections Canada and special voting groups? I looked on EC's site and although it speaks of cooperation with the AFN there is no mention of a contract for AFN to establish call centres during federal elections. I'm curious to know if the AFN use robocalls or live calls and whether an outside company like RMG was contracted by the AFN to do the calling.

edit: this post in reply to Jack.

Edited by capricorn, 26 April 2012 - 03:37 PM.

[madmax]

No. I stuck that link here because the thread title says "etc." and I didn't feel like starting a new thread.
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This raises some questions. Is this the only such contract between Elections Canada and special voting groups? I looked on EC's site and although it speaks of cooperation with the AFN there is no mention of a contract for AFN to establish call centres during federal elections. I'm curious to know if the AFN use robocalls or live calls and whether an outside company like RMG was contracted by the AFN to do the calling.

I was wondering the same...

[capricorn]

We were posting at the same time scribblet.

E.C. lied and misled the House, they targeted select ridings by race with phone calls intended to increase the native vote. What else have they been doing.. and while we are on about it, how about those two Dick Tracy's over at the Citizen, how come they didn't report on this, or are they just selective in what they report. Maybe it's time they told us how they get their information too.

Yes. Why aren't Maher and his sidekick reporting on this. Something else. At least 2 of the ridings contested by the Council of Canadians have large native populations; I'd like to know whether the AFN's call centres were active in those cases.

[waldo]

No. I stuck that link here because the thread title says "etc." and I didn't feel like starting a new thread.
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This raises some questions. Is this the only such contract between Elections Canada and special voting groups? I looked on EC's site and although it speaks of cooperation with the AFN there is no mention of a contract for AFN to establish call centres during federal elections. I'm curious to know if the AFN use robocalls or live calls and whether an outside company like RMG was contracted by the AFN to do the calling.

grasping at straws, hey? Elections Canada doesn't have phone numbers... this relates specifically to a many years practice intended to, 'get the native vote out'. Elections Canada states phone numbers would have been supplied by native councils/bands. By the by, do you actually have anything to relate complaints/concerns to this specific circumstance/scenario?

[capricorn]

Elections Canada doesn't have phone numbers...

That's a cop out. The AFN has phone numbers and Elections Canada pays the AFN to get the Native vote out.

this relates specifically to a many years practice intended to, 'get the native vote out'.

I take it you're OK with EC involving itself to this extent to get out the vote of one particular group of voters? It's not EC's job to promote the vote of one group over another group with $50,000.00 contracts paid for with taxpayers' money. If the leaders or advocates of groups who tend not to vote are concerned, it's up to them to do something about it and to pay for it. EC should stick to its mandate which is to inform all voters equally and without preference, and to run elections.

[Shakeyhands]

You're trying to make it that the Conservatives contradicted themselves. The fact is, in February Hamilton interviewed some campaign workers. A few interviews constitutes an internal investigation? That's stretching it. At that time neither the party or Hamilton said they were conducting an internal investigation. It was the media who concluded Hamilton was conducting an internal party investigation.

You haven't answered my question yet Capricorn, were they being interviewed for new jobs?

[capricorn]

You haven't answered my question yet Capricorn, were they being interviewed for new jobs?

Shakey, if you've ever supervised a group of employees and an event is the talk of the organization would you not talk about it to some of your employees? In some circumstances, they are the best source of information you could turn to but it doesn't mean you're conducting an investigation.

[waldo]

grasping at straws, hey? Elections Canada doesn't have phone numbers...

That's a cop out. The AFN has phone numbers and Elections Canada pays the AFN to get the Native vote out.

it most certainly is not a cop out. Your underlying premise is to robocall-taint Elections Canada. Again, Elections Canada does not possess phone numbers of Canadians... see the Harper Conservative CIMS database, hey?

this relates specifically to a many years practice intended to, 'get the native vote out'. Elections Canada states phone numbers would have been supplied by native councils/bands. By the by, do you actually have anything to relate complaints/concerns to this specific circumstance/scenario?

I take it you're OK with EC involving itself to this extent to get out the vote of one particular group of voters? It's not EC's job to promote the vote of one group over another group with $50,000.00 contracts paid for with taxpayers' money. If the leaders or advocates of groups who tend not to vote are concerned, it's up to them to do something about it and to pay for it. EC should stick to its mandate which is to inform all voters equally and without preference, and to run elections.

if you have a concern with a practice of Elections Canada, it has no bearing on this robocall voter-suppression issue... no matter how hard you seek to distract.