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[cybercoma]

No it doesn't. You don't know what the higher earner's expenses and liabilities are.

This is even sillier. What is wrong with you?

I'm sorry, CRA. I can't afford to pay that because I spent it all.

Really, I feel bad for you.

[Rick]

No it doesn't. You don't know what the higher earner's expenses and liabilities are.

Who knew...you were related to Patrick Ewing.

[bleeding heart]

No it doesn't. You don't know what the higher earner's expenses and liabilities are. 60 grand is a LOT of money, anyone who pays that much in federal income tax is already more than paying their share.

You're playing a semantics game. Of course there'll be exceptions (to any scenario) but we're talking an all-things-being-equal hypothetical here.

20% is harder to pay for people of lower income than of higher income.

The exceptions are only when the lower-income person has handled his money very well, and the higher income person is a moron.

That's it.

No. $60,000 is more profound, regardless of what income level it's drawn from.

It isn't only that you're flatly mistaken; you're being preposterous.

People who work hard to create more income should be rewarded for it, not punished.

They are rewared for it. The income is its own reward.



Or perhaps you think there should be a "rich tax," taken from the rest of us and given as a bonus to the rich, to reward them for their success.

(I shouldn't give you any ideas, I know.)

They'd still be paying a lot more in actual tax dollars if the percentages were the same, they should not have to also pay a higher percentage on top of that.

Now you're making an entirely different argument, for....reasons unstated.

In our hypothetical scenario (based on a poster's real-life experience) both the low-income and the high-income earner pay the same tax rate.

And you, incredibly, think it's a greater burden for the fellow with ten times the income.

Edited by bleeding heart, 28 May 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[Vendetta]

I know Conservatives would love to change the subject but this thread is dedicated to the discussion of the massive Conservative election fraud, and the resulting illegitimate "majority" government illegally forced on Canadians. This attack on our democracy makes me ill.

[Topaz]

I found this article about a US citzen working for the Republicans who got caught making robocalls and went to jail for it. He found out after he kept his mouth shut that the party was going to let him take the prison term and so he talked to the FBI and he had company in prison . He also says whom ever did this in Canada knew what they were doing. Very interesting article. http://www.canada.co...9055/story.html

[g_bambino]

I know Conservatives would love to change the subject but this thread is dedicated to the discussion of the massive Conservative election fraud, and the resulting illegitimate "majority" government illegally forced on Canadians. This attack on our democracy makes me ill.

Perhaps those accusing others of deflecting are, in doing so, deflecting from their lack of irrefutable proof to substantiate their claims.

[Fletch 27]

Your blogs are the bestest!

I found this article about a US citzen working for the Republicans who got caught making robocalls and went to jail for it. He found out after he kept his mouth shut that the party was going to let him take the prison term and so he talked to the FBI and he had company in prison . He also says whom ever did this in Canada knew what they were doing. Very interesting article. http://www.canada.co...9055/story.html

[waldo]

Your blogs are the bestest!

really? Ever hear of Postmedia Network... inclusive of the National Post and ~ a dozen or so other newspapers across Canada. Your "bestest blog" (Canada.com) is an online news service for Postmedia.

but don't let any of that stop you from actually challenging the article's content, hey? This thread, itself, has already discussed examples of Harper Conservatives importing 'Republican style' (robocall) tactics into Canada... notwithstanding direct contracting of U.S. robocall companies by Harper Conservatives - here's an example, hey... one of the, as you say, bestest! --- Robo-calls: Tory MPs used top U.S. Republican firm

[Topaz]

Isn't the bottom line that someone or some group wanted the election to go a certain way and by doing so they committed voter fraud. Now, if the A/T. Liberals or NDP actually had a hand on it, in my view that doesn't matter. what matter's is the action of fraud committed against voters and there should be an re-election done is certain ridings if not all the ridings. My guess is this won't get solved until we are closer to the 2015 election. BTW, the cost of this is climbing but I'm sure that all Canadains won't care too much of the cost as long as EC can find those guilty. http://ca.news.yahoo...-011840848.html

Edited by Topaz, 06 June 2012 - 10:17 AM.

[Canuckistani]

Isn't the bottom line that someone or some group wanted the election to go a certain way and by doing so they committed voter fraud. Now, if the A/T. Liberals or NDP actually had a hand on it, in my view that doesn't matter. what matter's is the action of fraud committed against voters and there should be an re-election done is certain ridings if not all the ridings. My guess is this won't get solved until we are closer to the 2015 election.

To invalidate the results in a certain riding would take a trial with Elections Canada presenting evidence that what happened skewed results sufficiently to make a diff. I doubt they'll be able to do that, especially since the main riding involved, Guelph went to a Liberal.

I have no question in my mind that the Conservatives were behind this. The problem is that Elections Canada investigations move at a glacial pace. The investigation may not be over in time for the next election. Even if it is, and there is no real explosive proof of massive collusion, the Conservatives will just claim vindication and that will be it. Just as with the in and out scandal.

[Fletch 27]

When you put all the pieces together, this looks like an NDP ploy.. C'mon, NDP battle in Guelph ontario,,, Calls from a line registered to an account in QC for "Piere Poutine"...? And your pointing to the Tories? THe Tories are free and clear of this and there is ZERO evidance to the fact... Nadda.. Well other than all the leads that point to the NDP! Jack Layton knew he was dying.. he was lying on an hourly basis telling Quebecers one thing and the rest of Canada another. He was desperate to win "something" in his life.. Even if it meant cheating, fraud and lying..

[bleeding heart]

When you put all the pieces together, this looks like an NDP ploy.. C'mon, NDP battle in Guelph ontario,,, Calls from a line registered to an account in QC for "Piere Poutine"...? And your pointing to the Tories? THe Tories are free and clear of this and there is ZERO evidance to the fact... Nadda.. Well other than all the leads that point to the NDP!

So...your contention is that there is "zero" evidence pointing to the Conservatives....and yet, "all the leads" point to the NDP"?

This is lunatic stuff, Fletch.

Jack Layton knew he was dying.. he was lying on an hourly basis telling Quebecers one thing and the rest of Canada another. He was desperate to win "something" in his life.. Even if it meant cheating, fraud and lying..

Settle down, big guy.

[Fletch 27]

With no evidance to the contrary and the sceptre of a "last grasp"... Yes, I believe the NDP are behind this! It was there battle to lose and they had the most to gain. The the whole "french connection"? Hmmmm Why is that lunatic? I could just as well have formed my assumptions on the Tories or Liberals (I actaully hate the Liberals more than the NDP) but i didnt! You are simply forming your decision based on "I hate Harper"... And thats your right as well..

So...your contention is that there is "zero" evidence pointing to the Conservatives....and yet, "all the leads" point to the NDP"?

This is lunatic stuff, Fletch.






Settle down, big guy.

[bleeding heart]

With no evidance to the contrary and the sceptre of a "last grasp"... Yes, I believe the NDP are behind this! It was there battle to lose and they had the most to gain. The the whole "french connection"? Hmmmm Why is that lunatic? I could just as well have formed my assumptions on the Tories or Liberals (I actaully hate the Liberals more than the NDP) but i didnt! You are simply forming your decision based on "I hate Harper"... And thats your right as well..

No, the evidence points far more to the Conservatives than to the other parties...that's common knowledge.

And I'm not claiming that the Conservative Party is behind it. Only that as far as a Party being responsible, they'd be the most likely culprits.

As for the "French connection"...if Darth Layton's sinister, dying plan was to cause scandal issues for the Cosnervatives...you don't think the diabolical genius might have considered this issue?

And I don't hate Harper. I don't hate anyone.

Edited by bleeding heart, 06 June 2012 - 11:25 AM.

[Fletch 27]

The calls eminated from the Edmonton Strathcona riding! Again, And NDP Stronghold! One of FEW .. Again, more evidance pointing at the NDP...


And "As for the "French connection"...if Darth Layton's sinister, dying plan was to cause scandal issues for the Cosnervatives...you don't think the diabolical genius might have considered this issue?" Yes, He considered it and excecuted on it! His secret will remain with him unfortunatly..

The evidance points directly to the NDP and Jack Layton! Why would a Torie, if they are soo bad, chose to "inject money" into an NDP riding to employ this company? Jacky Jacky Jacky, not good at covering his tracks..

No, the evidence points far more to the Conservatives than to the other parties...that's common knowledge.

And I'm not claiming that the Conservative Party is behind it. Only that as far as a Party being responsible, they'd be the most likely culprits.

As for the "French connection"...if Darth Layton's sinister, dying plan was to cause scandal issues for the Cosnervatives...you don't think the diabolical genius might have considered this issue?

And I don't hate Harper. I don't hate anyone.