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[GostHacked]

You are quite right that most of these ultra-religious fanatics are in the settlements. I agree that aside from providing security Israel should stop subsidizing their non-work. As far as the existence of settlements in general that is a different issue. I wish that the Arabs would be willing to live in peace if Israel withdrew from much of the West Bank. I doubt the Arabs would do that.

You'd have to withdraw first. Seems to be a key point and problem.

[The Right One]

these terrorist ninja masks should be banned!

the woman who pulled it off is a patriot and hero.

[Jack Weber]

these terrorist ninja masks should be banned!

the woman who pulled it off is a patriot and hero.

Interesting...I have to say these ethnic face coverings are fairly distasteful, mainly because of their obvious fear of females in certain...shall we say...less forward thinking societies...

I wonder who else,throughout history,you think is a "hero" and a "patriot" along these lines?

[jbg]

I wonder who else,throughout history,you think is a "hero" and a "patriot" along these lines?

Though I'll admit I waiver I don't see anyone as being a hero for pulling a hijab off a woman. All the same it is a legitimate expression of disgust with people who refuse to meld into Western society. I have a similar disgust for Chasidic Jews.

[Jack Weber]

Though I'll admit I waiver I don't see anyone as being a hero for pulling a hijab off a woman. All the same it is a legitimate expression of disgust with people who refuse to meld into Western society. I have a similar disgust for Chasidic Jews.

Yeah...But what about the Amish and some Mennonites?

And I was trying to dig a little deeper on his version of who was a historic "hero"...

[bleeding heart]

Though I'll admit I waiver I don't see anyone as being a hero for pulling a hijab off a woman. All the same it is a legitimate expression of disgust with people who refuse to meld into Western society. I have a similar disgust for Chasidic Jews.

What makes you think that it's "a legitimate expression" to do such a thing?

[stopstaaron]

I wish religious people did not immigrate here.. spiritual is fine though, its religion that is the problem

[Jack Weber]

I wish religious people did not immigrate here.. spiritual is fine though, its religion that is the problem

You do understand the difference between faith and religion,right?

[stopstaaron]

You do understand the difference between faith and religion,right?

I do. Its when religious people get organized.. that is when the problems begin

[jbg]

You'd have to withdraw first. Seems to be a key point and problem.

Why should Israel withdraw from anything without an ironclad, enforceable promise of permanent peace?

[cybercoma]

Peace is never permanent. As soon as Israel starts bulldozing homes in Palestine again, pushing the borders back as they always do, they'll be declaring war again.

[jbg]

Peace is never permanent. As soon as Israel starts bulldozing homes in Palestine again, pushing the borders back as they always do, they'll be declaring war again.

What about a more likely scenario, that some person or group decides it's not bound by any agreement and sends out a hormone-crazed 17 year old to detonate himself on a bus? Why should Israel give up territories for some cosmic mumble about peace?

[Peeves]

Peace is never permanent. As soon as Israel starts bulldozing homes in Palestine again, pushing the borders back as they always do, they'll be declaring war again.

More anti Israel rhetoric.

The Hezbollah, Fatah and the Hamas policy and Mission Statements and Charter suggest why there is to no peace in the region so longas Israel exists and Jews and Kafir are on Islamic soil..

Israel has never said that all the occupied territory borders are fixed. When Israel is given recognition as a legitimate state and put on Arab maps, and no more rockets are fired at Israeli citizens, then there might be a negotiated peace. To give up is for Israel to be destroyed!

If Israel capitulated, withdrew from the sliver of occupied territories and simply accepted the daily rockets as some apparently expect them to do, Israel and more millions of Jews would be eliminated.

I suppose some anti-Semites could live with that.

http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/arabwrld.htm

[Peeves]

I do. Its when religious people get organized.. that is when the problems begin

You and others consider all organized religions to be judged equally bad. Many organized religions and their adherents are far more to be praised than faulted.

[bleeding heart]

More anti Israel rhetoric.

The Hezbollah, Fatah and the Hamas policy and Mission Statements and Charter suggest why there is to no peace in the region so longas Israel exists and Jews and Kafir are on Islamic soil..

Israel has never said that all the occupied territory borders are fixed. When Israel is given recognition as a legitimate state and put on Arab maps, and no more rockets are fired at Israeli citizens, then there might be a negotiated peace. To give up is for Israel to be destroyed!

If Israel capitulated, withdrew from the sliver of occupied territories and simply accepted the daily rockets as some apparently expect them to do, Israel and more millions of Jews would be eliminated.

I suppose some anti-Semites could live with that.

http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps/arabwrld.htm

Are you implying that cybercoma is an anti-semite?

Because that's a serious charge, and should be backed up with evidence.

Just because moral cowards use the term so promiscuously doesn't mean it's automatically a legitimate talking point.