45 replies to this topic

[PIK]

Too many people were defined to be criminals according to laws but they actually did not harm to anybody.
Too many real criminals like murders, gun shooters are at large.
Cops are busy catch single mothers, hard working husbands with the help of CAS, and busy give out tickets that the amount of tickets in Toronto each year is more than the number of the residents there.
Courts are as busy as hospitals. Jails are not enough that politician want to build more.
Those are the business that paid with our tax dollars and charity dollars.

You could fill the new jails with just the people that uses our old red and white ohip cards that do not belong to them.

[MACKER]

You could fill the new jails with just the people that uses our old red and white ohip cards that do not belong to them.

We need to reinstitute slave labour for things like that.

[Rocky Road]

I wish people would understand that pot is a dangerous drug.

Especially when you look at it terms of Mental Health.

http://www.cbc.ca/do...downsideofhigh/

See this David Suzuki special on the risks of smoking pot.

[eyeball]

By far pot's primary cause of danger, to teens and adults alike, stems from it's being forced underground. Prohibition is what spurred the development of higher potency strains. Smaller amounts are easier to conceal and move.

It's a losing battle.

Speaking of which, anyone seen any documentaries on Mexico lately?

http://www.cbc.ca/gs...Mexico drug war

[bjre]

I wish people would understand that pot is a dangerous drug.

Especially when you look at it terms of Mental Health.

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/natureofthings/2010/downsideofhigh/

See this David Suzuki special on the risks of smoking pot.

I believe the correct way is educate kids in schools to be able to have responsibility to himself, to his family, and to others. That would be more effective, instead of let the kids do whatever they want, jail the parents who want to educate them, and then punish those who does not receive proper education, which is for the legal industry take more tax dollars only.

Edited by bjre, 16 March 2012 - 01:13 AM.

[Manny]

I wish people would understand that pot is a dangerous drug.

Especially when you look at it terms of Mental Health.

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/natureofthings/2010/downsideofhigh/

See this David Suzuki special on the risks of smoking pot.

Yeah, but it's not like tobacco or alcohol?

So many things are dangerous, so much work for the state to do, to protect people from themselves. Best that we all just stay home and not go outside. Not even do anything at all. Hell, life is too risky.

[Vendetta]

Sure the chance of violence is much less with pot than alchohol but both are depressants.

No they are not. Pot is an anti-depressant and a mild hallucinogen, maybe more accurately described as a hypnotic. Try to get your facts straight.

[Vendetta]

Yeah, but it's not like tobacco or alcohol?

So many things are dangerous, so much work for the state to do, to protect people from themselves. Best that we all just stay home and not go outside. Not even do anything at all. Hell, life is too risky.

Yes don't smoke pot, go out and participate in "extreme" sports. Nobody ever gets hurt doing that. Play hockey, no chance of a brain injury there.

[-TSS-]

Overseas Canada has a reputation of being the saner part of North-America when crime is concerned.

[Argus]

There is too much crime in Canada. And too much of it goes unpunished, to the detriment of society. I don't particularly care about pot, but I do care about violence. I also care about fraud when it becomes so endemic that everyone dealing with others actually EXPECTS fraud to take place. Example. Auto repairs and sales. The auto industry is rife with criminal, fraudulent behavior which goes unpunished. Contracting and home repair. Even Mike Holmes says 90% of contractors are crooks, incompetents or both. Finance. Banks, insurance companies and investment houses routinely lie to their clients in order to enhance their own profits. I'd run sting operations in all these industries and start arresting mechanics, contractors and mutual fund and insurance salesmen. Imagine how much that would improve life in Canada! All the rest of the people in those industries would get the message and fraud would decline precipitously.

Legalize pot, tax it, use the money to pay down the deficit. Throw mechanics in prison, and we'd all cheer. Throw contractors into prison and the industry would improve immeasurable. You'd probably have a huge surge in renovations if people thought they could actually rely on contractors to do what they promise when they promise for the price they promise. Widespread fraud is a sign of a sick society, and if not addressed it just grows and spreads.

[WLDB]

I wish people would understand that pot is a dangerous drug.

I dont care if its pot or heroin. If a person is of age and wants to use it its their body and their choice. They can deal with the consequences to their health. The government should have no right in telling people what they can and can't put into their bodies.

[MACKER]

I dont care if its pot or heroin. If a person is of age and wants to use it its their body and their choice. They can deal with the consequences to their health. The government should have no right in telling people what they can and can't put into their bodies.

To a large extent I agree but the government ought to insure that misinformation, or and acts like sales fraud, and faulty product are prevented.

Likewise the public risk to things like second hand pot smoke, or "forgotten drugs" much like facilitiating access for minors to things like alcohol and cigarettes presents an issue with potentially lethal items such as heroine.

There should be a "safe" amount set aside which does not pose a risk of misuse by minors in the case of loss of a given drug.
I have seen pot just laying on the street before, I've also seen needles abandoned, resin abandoned, much like I've seen alchohol or cigarettes lost/abandoned.

I think however products need to be sold with health risks known... this would apply to drugs put to sale also. Because people can be victimized by alcohol, cigarettes and other drugs without their knowledge of the effects, it is only fair to let people know the negative consequences of their actions.

You would perhaps be suprised how little some drug users actually know about the drug they are using, especially when they use it for occasional recreational purposes. A lot of people do drugs for the first time via inadvertent pushing by others, not them going out and actively buying it in a store, that clearly explains the negative consequences of the taking the drug. On the contrary often drugs are marketted based upon their "interesting effects" such a hallucinations or euphoria.

I agree individuals should be able to administer their own bodies, but we do have an obligation to insure people are not victimized by the actions of others.


Even with it illegal, I'm someone who has encountered a hell of a lot of second hand pot smoke in my life, and I am a non smoker. it is out there even without it legalized, but the whole approach is wrong, it should be a focus on protecting individuals who would be victims not on preventing people from making their own informed choices.

Drugs are everywhere and things like omnibus arn't going to stop that, on the contrary it will spread it, as the price of drugs might increase, making it more lucrative to get into the business.

If you want to stop illegal drugs you need to turn them into a product sold in stores, with superior safety and quality and pricing that will put street labs out of business, any other approach is just talk.

Keeping people in jail longer ain't taking more people off the street. It is more so networking more people together.

Selling to minors should be a consideration though, that would hold life in prison.

Edited by MACKER, 17 March 2012 - 10:34 AM.

[noahbody]

I dont care if its pot or heroin. If a person is of age and wants to use it its their body and their choice. They can deal with the consequences to their health. The government should have no right in telling people what they can and can't put into their bodies.

I don't care about pot, but heroin addiction threatens more than the user as many turn to theft to feed the need.

[noahbody]

What prevention measures are the Conservatives implementing? Assuming that longer, tougher sentences does not necessarily reduce crime (As observed in the US)

Here's a good one.

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/nr/2012/nr20120221-eng.aspx

[WLDB]

I don't care about pot, but heroin addiction threatens more than the user as many turn to theft to feed the need.

And in that case you charge them with theft.