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#1 Boges

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:30 AM

Call it want you want but it's a tax. How many people in this province drive?

I thought there were going to be no new taxes.

By Lee Greenberg

Mired in a $16-billion deficit and facing an uncertain financial future, Ontario is turning to consumers to help it dig out of trouble.

The province announced Tuesday it will raise a range of driver fees, including licence validation, renewals, replacement, driver exam fees, trailer permits, as well as a range of other fees for commercial vehicles.

Licence-plate renewals will rise to $98 within the next three years, a 33% increase over the current $74 charged in southern Ontario (northern residents are charged a lower rate that will rise by the same percentage).

Those rates will rise to $82 on Sept. 1, officials said, and then again each year after until they reach $98 in 2015.

Transportation Minister Bob Chiarelli said the higher fees are a “thoughtful” choice that will help eliminate the deficit and help keep roads and bridges in good shape.

Mr. Chiarelli said Ontario’s drivers’ fees are among the lowest in Canada, and will continue to be middle of the pack, even after the increases.


So this money is going to infrastructure Mr. McGuinty?

http://ogca.ca/pulling-back-on-infrastructure-spending-shortsighted/

Cancelling any future infrastructure spending programs in Ontario is shortsighted and will have a devastating impact on province’s economic recovery, says Ontario General Contractor Association President Clive Thurston.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty recently warned leaders at the Rural Ontario Municipalities Association convention that the provincial government “chose not to move forward this year with a new permanent fund for roads and bridges with the federal government.

“I have to support our economic advantage – the skills and education of our people – and sacrifice the infrastructure fund,” McGuinty said during his speech Monday in Toronto.

“Premier McGuinty’s statement, if it is followed through with policy direction in the upcoming budget, brings into question the province’s stated commitment to a 10-year infrastructure investment plan,” says OGCA President Clive Thurston.

“If this happens, we will have lost some of the cylinders of the economic engine that has been helping to drive Ontario’s recovery. Cancelling of infrastructure-specific programs will stall any momentum we have been building. It is more than a step backwards. This is stepping on the accelerator with the engine in reverse.”


Huh? This new reveue from license levies is going into general revenue.

Oh and how about this?


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/13/liberals-spinning-the-horse-manure

In a nasty piece of spin, Education Minister Laurel Broten sent out a release slamming the horse-racing industry and PC leader Tim Hudak.

“We simply can’t afford to support the $345 million-a-year horse-racing subsidies started by the Hudak PCs. Not when the same amount of money could get better health care for our seniors, and full-day kindergarten for our four and five year olds,” said the release.

She said Hudak’s defending, “a few wealthy race-track owners, while seniors and kindergarten students are left in the dust.”

What a pile of horse manure!


It's a bold face lie. They aren't taking money from all-day kindergarten and putting it into the pocket of racetrack owners. They are sharing slot revenue and that money creates jobs.

People are going to be jumping off this Titanic of a Province fast.

Edited by Boges, 14 March 2012 - 07:33 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:17 AM

Call it want you want but it's a tax. How many people in this province drive?

I thought there were going to be no new taxes.



So this money is going to infrastructure Mr. McGuinty?

http://ogca.ca/pulling-back-on-infrastructure-spending-shortsighted/



Huh? This new reveue from license levies is going into general revenue.

Oh and how about this?


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/13/liberals-spinning-the-horse-manure



It's a bold face lie. They aren't taking money from all-day kindergarten and putting it into the pocket of racetrack owners. They are sharing slot revenue and that money creates jobs.

People are going to be jumping off this Titanic of a Province fast.


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 08:34 AM

Who knew!

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 09:49 AM

Fees =/= Taxes
At least according to politicians.
Politicians of all parties. Liberal, Tory, NDP.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 05:29 AM

A fee is not a tax.

Taxes are usually a percentage of something whereas fees are typically lump sums.

Edited by mentalfloss, 15 March 2012 - 05:29 AM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:22 AM

A fee is not a tax.

Taxes are usually a percentage of something whereas fees are typically lump sums.


So that makes it OK :lol:

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:10 AM

What makes it ok is that Ontario has one of the lowest registration fees in the country, even with the increase.

What I want to know is when the governments across the country will get rid of these invasive vehicle registrations. Why must they make criminals out of drivers?

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 06:27 AM

What I want to know is when the governments across the country will get rid of these invasive vehicle registrations. Why must they make criminals out of drivers?


Drivers are evil. We should all use the public transit that is inconvenient for a vast majority of people in Ontario.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:02 AM

So that makes it OK :lol:


It proves he's not a liar.

Edited by mentalfloss, 16 March 2012 - 07:02 AM.


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Posted 16 March 2012 - 07:11 AM

It proves he's not a liar.


I'd venture a guess that you also wouldn't oppose a healthy income and/or sales tax hike right?

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:48 AM

Call it want you want but it's a tax. How many people in this province drive?

I thought there were going to be no new taxes.



So this money is going to infrastructure Mr. McGuinty?

http://ogca.ca/pulling-back-on-infrastructure-spending-shortsighted/



Huh? This new reveue from license levies is going into general revenue.

Oh and how about this?


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/13/liberals-spinning-the-horse-manure



It's a bold face lie. They aren't taking money from all-day kindergarten and putting it into the pocket of racetrack owners. They are sharing slot revenue and that money creates jobs.

People are going to be jumping off this Titanic of a Province fast.



Dalton McGuinty is a liar.

He says that we need to freeze young teachers on the pay grid... To pay for a 30% tuition cut that isn't retroactive.

These young teachers have loads of student debt after 5-6 years of education. They are now being told F-U.

While I do see a need to freeze wages, taking it out on the current young working generation can't always be the solution.

If you are going to freeze the young workers on the grid, at least make the student tuition payment partially retroactive.

Edited by MiddleClassCentrist, 16 March 2012 - 11:49 AM.

Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies. Modern conservatives don't follow reason, they don't analyse the situation, they make up an ideological solution and then attempt cram that solution into a problem that doesn't exist.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:56 AM

Dalton needs to make huge cuts, to fund his agenda.

He's not actually cutting to save money.

This key point needs to be recognized publicly.




His slogan should have been "bleeding ontario forward"...
Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies. Modern conservatives don't follow reason, they don't analyse the situation, they make up an ideological solution and then attempt cram that solution into a problem that doesn't exist.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 12:12 PM

Dalton needs to make huge cuts, to fund his agenda.


That's why All-Day Day Care ERRRRRRRRR Kindergarten is untouchable.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

I'm indifferent, but I don't drive. Even without these fees vehicles are way too expensive.
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Posted 16 March 2012 - 04:06 PM

That's why All-Day Day Care ERRRRRRRRR Kindergarten is untouchable.



Why are we even funding that now?

We've gotten along just fine without it for so long.

Maybe try to balance the budget first?
Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies. Modern conservatives don't follow reason, they don't analyse the situation, they make up an ideological solution and then attempt cram that solution into a problem that doesn't exist.



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