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[Moonlight Graham]

I find it funny how people comment on something that they have no real experience with.

I too was like this until I actually tried the products.

They work well. They satisfy a need that I never knew I really had.

You don't know until you try and until then you can't really comment because you do not have any experience for which to base your opinion on.

a. I never denied the quality and durability of Apple products. They are well-made products. My argument is that they are overpriced, and they are, undeniably, based on the hardware/components they are build with.

b. you are assuming that because i've never bought an Apple product that i've never USED an Apple product. I've used them at work, at school, and have had basically all over my friends own Apple products.

Edited by Moonlight Graham, 16 March 2012 - 04:54 PM.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

a. I never denied the quality and durability of Apple products. They are well-made products. My argument is that they are overpriced, and they are, undeniably, based on the hardware/components they are build with.

b. you are assuming that because i've never bought an Apple product that i've never USED an Apple product. I've used them at work, at school, and have had basically all over my friends own Apple products.

I bought Apple garbage.

It was called the iBook. Biggest pile of junk ever made.

They had class action lawsuits against the shoddy construction of it. It costed $115 to replace the power adapter... A power adapter that was rated 1/5 for being so crappy on Apple's own website. Meanwhile, an generic windows adapter only costed $25. The battery and keyboard also needed to be replaced.

Macs are no better than any other piece of technology. The religion of Apple indoctrinates you to believe otherwise.

I've used both, and I see exactly why Microsoft had to invest heavily into Apple to keep them afloat. They produced garbage at a premium price.


Now, as the average consumer understands less and less about how techology actually works and more about how it is "marketed to be awesome", Apple is rising.

Some people are slowly realizing that Apple is a restrictive 1984-esque company and are turning to the more open Android systems.



If you have to jailbreak your iDevice to make it do everything you want it to, you are admitting that Apple releases an inferior product.

Edited by MiddleClassCentrist, 16 March 2012 - 05:12 PM.

[msj]

a. I never denied the quality and durability of Apple products. They are well-made products. My argument is that they are overpriced, and they are, undeniably, based on the hardware/components they are build with.

b. you are assuming that because i've never bought an Apple product that i've never USED an Apple product. I've used them at work, at school, and have had basically all over my friends own Apple products.

Fair enough.

However, I doubt you have spent much time with an iPad while travelling.

[msj]

I bought Apple garbage.

It was called the iBook. Biggest pile of junk ever made.

Agreed, which is why it didn't last long.

Macs are no better than any other piece of technology. The religion of Apple indoctrinates you to believe otherwise.

Agreed on the parts. But in terms of the O/S dead wrong.

I bought myself a new PC laptop with Win7 less than a year after my wife bought her shiny new Mac.

I rebooted my machine more in the first week than she rebooted her Mac in the first 8 or 9 months.

I'd pay more to save that kind of time.

I've used both, and I see exactly why Microsoft had to invest heavily into Apple to keep them afloat. They produced garbage at a premium price.


Now, as the average consumer understands less and less about how techology actually works and more about how it is "marketed to be awesome", Apple is rising.

Ah, yes, Apple's market cap is how many times MS'?

But it's all those dumb people's fault.

The thing about technology is us dumb people just want it to work the first time we boot it up rather than spend our lives rebooting Windows.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

The thing about technology is us dumb people just want it to work the first time we boot it up rather than spend our lives rebooting Windows.

Odd... The mac I owned crashed more frequently than my windows machine ever has.



Macs freeze too. Mac owners are just ashamed to admit it.

Edited by MiddleClassCentrist, 16 March 2012 - 05:27 PM.

[msj]

Odd... The mac I owned crashed more frequently than my windows machine ever has.



Macs freeze too. Mac owners are just ashamed to admit it.

They do occasionally.

But I'm willing to pay the additional price for an OS that works 99% more effectively.

[Bonam]

Mac OS working "more effectively" is a matter of your opinion. When I had to work on a mac and use OSX for a while, holy crap, I could not get anything done.

I'd literally rather go back to Win 95 and have a blue screen of death every 30 minutes than use a mac OS. But that's just me, I prefer having control and customization over my OS. I want to set up my computer to be the way I want it, rather than the computer forcing me to use it in the way some apple engineer designed it for the lowliest idiot customer he thought they might have.

Anyway, I have win7 64 ultimate on my most current computer, and it hasn't crashed in months either. The only time I reboot it is for the occasional major driver upgrade / system update, which is maybe once every few weeks, the rest of the time it's just hibernate.

As for ipads, I honestly still can't quite see what is the fascination with that device. It is just the wrong form factor to be of any use to me. It is too big to practically fit into a pocket, which means you need to carry it around in a case/pack/etc. That means you may as well be carrying a full-featured ultraportable laptop, some of which are only very slightly larger and heavier. And they have infinitely more functionality.

A better idea for form factor would be to take a smart phone and scale it up to 5-5.5 inches from 4 inches and give it 720p resolution. A 5-5.5 inch screen is enough to be a convenient reader, better for games and videos, plus you could pack in more battery and more processing power. But the most important thing: it would still practically fit in your pocket. A 5.5 inch screen giant smartphone is probably right at the very upper limit of a pocket item. Samsung has the right idea with the Note, but it needs to be better to take off.

Anything beyond that, and it may as well be a laptop in my opinion. The 6-10 inch screen size range just does not seem useful.

Edited by Bonam, 16 March 2012 - 08:41 PM.

[msj]

Mac OS working "more effectively" is a matter of your opinion. When I had to work on a mac and use OSX for a while, holy crap, I could not get anything done.

How many times do I have to say it is my opinion.

We are on a discussion board, of course it is my opinion.

And you guys imply that I'm the dumb one?

I mean, honestly?

What doncha know about this being a forum?

Am I discussing stuff with a bunch of American Woman clones? Everything we say is our opinion unless we are quoting a statement or a fact.

I'd literally rather go back to Win 95 and have a blue screen of death every 30 minutes than use a mac OS. But that's just me, I prefer having control and customization over my OS. I want to set up my computer to be the way I want it, rather than the computer forcing me to use it in the way some apple engineer designed it for the lowliest idiot customer he thought they might have.

Sure, I use a PC for work purposes (although only because I have to because tax and audit software are not "lowliest" enough or makes one too "smart" to use a Mac).

Oh, and I had to reboot my Win7 machine again tonight.

Why? Because I closed the lid for an hour while eating dinner.

Doesn't like to hibernate apparently.

But, just so we are clear, this is my experience.

Anyway, I have win7 64 ultimate on my most current computer, and it hasn't crashed in months either. The only time I reboot it is for the occasional major driver upgrade / system update, which is maybe once every few weeks, the rest of the time it's just hibernate.

Good for you.

Sounds as good as Leopard.

As for ipads, I honestly still can't quite see what is the fascination with that device. It is just the wrong form factor to be of any use to me.

Well, good for you.

I won't imply you're dumb because you don't find it practical. I won't even call you a snob.

To each their own.

It is too big to practically fit into a pocket, which means you need to carry it around in a case/pack/etc. That means you may as well be carrying a full-featured ultraportable laptop, some of which are only very slightly larger and heavier. And they have infinitely more functionality.

It's called a man purse or a murse.

You know, like Iago in Othello - put thy money in thy purse. Quite a funny scene.

Anyway, to each their own.

I've tried the Playbook and liked the Xoom in the showroom but the iPad works very well for what it does for both my wife and myself.

A better idea for form factor would be to take a smart phone and scale it up to 5-5.5 inches from 4 inches and give it 720p resolution. A 5-5.5 inch screen is enough to be a convenient reader, better for games and videos, plus you could pack in more battery and more processing power. But the most important thing: it would still practically fit in your pocket. A 5.5 inch screen giant smartphone is probably right at the very upper limit of a pocket item. Samsung has the right idea with the Note, but it needs to be better to take off.

Anything beyond that, and it may as well be a laptop in my opinion. The 6-10 inch screen size range just does not seem useful.

Yes, Samsung does have that phone and I checked it out over the intertubes.

Doubt I would like it (in my opinion).

I also don't need to put big things in my pocket for any other apparent reason, either.

[Bonam]

How many times do I have to say it is my opinion.

We are on a discussion board, of course it is my opinion.

And you guys imply that I'm the dumb one?

I mean, honestly?

What doncha know about this being a forum?

Am I discussing stuff with a bunch of American Woman clones? Everything we say is our opinion unless we are quoting a statement or a fact.

When you make a statement like "this is more effective", that is a very specific and declarative statement. Obviously any statement anyone ever makes is, by definition, only their opinion. Nonetheless, some statements are worded so as to come across as if the speaker is stating an accepted fact. If I say "The Earth is 150 million km from the Sun", yeah, this is a forum, and that's my opinion, but I intend to convey the sense that I am stating a known fact. That's how your unqualified "it's more effective" statement came across to me.

Why? Because I closed the lid for an hour while eating dinner.

Doesn't like to hibernate apparently.

You should probably go into power management settings and check the behavior you've set for when the lid is closed. I didn't like the default preset interaction between hibernation and closing the lid either. Fortunately, it being a windows PC, there was a wide range of built in options, as well as third party tools, to customize the power management to my exact liking.

I also don't need to put big things in my pocket for any other apparent reason, either.

Size matters.

Edited by Bonam, 16 March 2012 - 09:17 PM.

[msj]

When you make a statement like "this is more effective", that is a very specific and declarative statement. Obviously any statement anyone ever makes is, by definition, only their opinion. Nonetheless, some statements are worded so as to come across as if the speaker is stating an accepted fact. If I say "The Earth is 150 million km from the Sun", yeah, this is a forum, and that's my opinion, but I intend to convey the sense that I am stating a known fact. That's how your unqualified "it's more effective" statement came across to me.

Fair enough

You should probably go into power management settings and check the behavior you've set for when the lid is closed. I didn't like the default preset interaction between hibernation and closing the lid either. Fortunately, it being a windows PC, there was a wide range of built in options, as well as third party tools, to customize the power management to my exact liking.

Yeah, because I'm just a dumb, snobby Mac user who hasn't thought of that.

Edited by msj, 16 March 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[Moonlight Graham]

Fair enough.

However, I doubt you have spent much time with an iPad while travelling.

I haven't. Balls to iPads.

Edited by Moonlight Graham, 17 March 2012 - 08:14 AM.

[msj]

Fuck iPads.

You wouldn't enjoy it.

Edited by msj, 16 March 2012 - 10:28 PM.

[bush_cheney2004]

I haven't. Fuck iPads.

That feature is coming soon!

[dre]

Anything beyond that, and it may as well be a laptop in my opinion. The 6-10 inch screen size range just does not seem useful.

Thats what I always thought as well. But someone bought me an Android Tablet for christmas... Its a $200 dollar Chinese jobby. I like it and use it quite a bit. I use it for reading books and manuals, and its pretty damn nice for viewing any kind of media. It will run for about 7 or 8 hours on a charge and it makes no noise, and generates no heat.

I guess if I bought a small laptop I could get the same kinda thing out of it... My laptop is to big and the fans and disks are too damn noisy.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

That feature is coming soon!

There will be an App for that!